Are you flying on a fuel savings program? New Theory

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Not aware of the BK carriers operating thier jets under a fuel savings profile; i.e. most economic.

Therefore, if fuel is one of the most expensive costs why not?

Theory: Management likes the high cost of gas so they can hammer labor.

Can labor state: We'll take concessions when you show us a max save fuel program.

Yes, no, conspiracy?

Discuss

 

[DGdaPilot]

Well American and Eagle are into this type of thing.

 

[imacdog]

Comair recently started doing this.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Well American and Eagle are into this type of thing.

Not in BK. But copy that!

 

[FlyingSig]

Delta's been on a fuel kick since I was hired in 2000 but even since last year FMS Econ numbers have been adjusted, contingency fuel eliminated, and even an exemption granted for alternates (less then the 1-2-3)... not sure what else they can do with the exception of the price of gas...

 

[Knob]

At XJT, we have been doing this for quite some time, such as single eng. taxi, minimal APU usage and coming down on a 4 degree gs. Guess it hasn't been enough!

 

[DX Jake]

Hey Rez...

If you were going from BWI to LIT and then on to LAS... and fuel in BWI was $1.72... and in LIT was $2.26... would you load up in Baltimore, or bend over in Little Rock ???

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Hey Rez...

If you were going from BWI to LIT and then on to LAS... and fuel in BWI was $1.72... and in LIT was $2.26... would you load up in Baltimore, or bend over in Little Rock ???

As an Air Line Pilot I can't/won't make these types of decisions.... I can fly the aircraft in an [more] effecient way....

 

[ReverseSensing]

As an Air Line Pilot I can't/won't make these types of decisions.... I can fly the aircraft in an [more] effecient way....

Just curious, but why can't/won't you make tankering decisions?

 

[FlyingSig]

Just curious, but why can't/won't you make tankering decisions?

When I was at CoEx we could put on anywhere between a min and max number at the Capt's discression (and you could always coordinate with the dispatcher for more). Wasn't really tankering, more of a "pad" when you knew weather/traffic would require more then release numbers.

At Delta, the fueler just puts on what the paperwork says... Capt. doesn't order the gas. Dispatch will build in contingency fuel into the release numbers and they also do a pretty good job of tankering (fill up in ATL vs DCA/LGA) but the Capt really has no say over how much gas gets put on unless he wants more in which case that generates new paperwork and a new fuel order.

It's a whole different world then GA/Corp. flying. Instead of burning brain cells flight planning, you burn brain cells figuring out if you're legal to go (paperwork, MEL's, weather, alt. etc...)