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Message: [QUOTE="Marko Ramius, post: 4609, member: 100"] Rotweiller, I don't know that anything is going to happen either, which is why I was asking if anybody from Express had heard anything. We at United have no clue as to what our union even wants out of these grievances, many of us feel what they want actually has nothing to do with SJ so this whole thing may really be moot. What I was trying to convey on here is the reasons why these discussions are coming up here at UAL/UAX and not at America West, UsAirways, or any other carrier that doesn't have flowback. You seem to have a pretty strong grasp on the issue(s) here. We know Air Wis has furloughed pilots, all the rumours I've heard were for new hire spots which would be after those people were rightfully recalled. In the end, it might not be the grievance that makes the UAL/UAX pilot relationship a little cozier, but Creighton needing to give up something to get concessions and this might be a worthwhile cost to him. I don't think UAX can be forced explicitly to hire us, but I have read articles that say force majeure does apply to the UAL-UAX contracts. If the company starts threatening to lower the amounts paid to express and/or telling them that they won't be seeing as much flying in the future(hiding behind our grievance of course), than they might be inclined to at least talk. The one thing that I want to reemphasize though is that this is all highly speculative and fluid, and we should all try to keep our heads in this. It's not fun to me to have to respond to posts like canyonblues, insuiating that we are bad pilots and couldn't pass CRJ training. We don't know each other at all except this board, why should we start beating up on each other everytime we percieve a threat. And yes that goes for major airline pilots who spout off rants like"some snot nosed 21 year old kid is flying my route," too. [/QUOTE]

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