Any Airlines Currently flying in Japan, specifically frequenting the Fukuoka FIR

[abxdx]

If you fly in this area. How do you deal with all the restricted airspace in this FIR, they have a load of restricted airspace and we currently pull the Notams and plot the areas. Does anyone do it differently? Do you work with the military at all on this? If so do you have contact information?

 

[RJAA]

Do you mean the U.S. military airspaces within Japan /RJJJ? I don't always know where they are alll at precisely. I always rule them out by operating days, hours and flight levels. If I am planning a flight from GUM-NRT and my route does not take west of 130W, I would just trash all the notams west of 130W. Things like that. Most of them are around Okinawa, and a few south of Tokyo toward Guam and I hadn't had a day where they they posed a conflict with established airways.

 

[ss9e]

were you talking about the missile firing a couple of days ago?

 

[shooter]

Most of them are in the East China Sea between Southern Japan and Taiwan. They are also usually from whatever to unlimited so there is no flying over them. Not really much of a problem with routing until typhoons come through. But there are so dang many of them, we plot them to keep track of them. Since they are US military you would think they would have a domain to access what they have hot at any time.

How do other carriers track these areas?

 

[bcp7]

One problem is that not all of these Notams make it into the international system. When I was at CMI we had a internet link for the japan domestic notams. You can probably find it through google, with a search for those 3 words, or you might need to look for Japan Airman Information Manual and poke around in that site.
Btw, not all Canadian airport closures make it into the international notams either. If you are doing any flying in to Canada, you should have the NavCanada web site in your favorites to access Canada domestic notams.

 

[propsarebest]

do you guys ever look at DINS notams? They have been the most accurate so far.

 

[ss9e]

do you guys ever look at DINS notams? They have been the most accurate so far.

agreed. DINS has notams that no one else does. i check it every night for airway closures in russia.

 

[bcp7]

DINS notams is one of the best sources out there, but a notam has to be entered into the system for it to be there. Probably 98% of all notams that would affect airline operations ARE in there.

However, I have noticed in my short time so far in the fractional world, notams for some airport closures of runways 5000 feet or less, specifically in Canada, have not been in there.

Also, some applicable notams for joint use airfields are not accessible there either unless you specifically request the military notams.

No ONE source is perfect.

 

[shooter]

do you guys ever look at DINS notams? They have been the most accurate so far.

Yes, we cross check all intl NOTAMs in the FAA NAIMES and DoD DINS sites. We know we have them, we just want to know how other carriers handle the volume of them.

 

[propsarebest]

Yes, we cross check all intl NOTAMs in the FAA NAIMES and DoD DINS sites. We know we have them, we just want to know how other carriers handle the volume of them.

easy... we copy and paste them onto the bottom of the flight plan. a 4 page flight plan across the N.A. easily becomes a 32 pager with all the origin/dest/alt/etp and refile airports.

This is in addition to the regular notams in the wx packet.

notams suck.

 

[shooter]

easy... we copy and paste them onto the bottom of the flight plan. a 4 page flight plan across the N.A. easily becomes a 32 pager with all the origin/dest/alt/etp and refile airports.

This is in addition to the regular notams in the wx packet.

notams suck.

LOL, yes but that is part of the problem. Like I said they are in the flight pl...erm...book. How does your Dispatch office handle them. Like abxdx said, we currently plot them out to track them. Do other offices have a site they can go to and have that, do they plot them as we do, or are they just ignored. Lol, j/k about ignoring them.

EDIT: For an example, if you have a flight from Japan to Hong Kong, you skirt the edges of many of the active areas to and from. With just the lat/long in the NOTAMs you would never know if your flight is going through the area without plotting them out. These US military areas are not so far east to have an impact from the Guam to Narita flight that was posted earlier as an example. Going to Southern China, Taiwan, Vietnam or Thailand they are in play. Throw a typhoon in there (which seem to be about every other week) and you have routing issues. Plotting takes so many man hours, it bites.

 

[RJAA]

Try some italian and greek notams, they are abosolute joy, scanning through balloons, 50 ft poles and foreworks display. Endless.

 

[propsarebest]

Or Turkish notams for that matter. Half of them are in Turkish.

 

[ss9e]

india has to be the worst. they still have notams in the system from 1998.

 

[woxonwoxof]

WTF? Just say that you have no idea how your Co. tracks them. No one has answered the original question.