Answers for Anthony at Flight Options

[hawkercpt]

You guys are right. I am so sorry. How could I have been so blind. Thank you.

 

[guido411]

You called someone an idiot that had done nothing to you. How is that productive conversation to "Determine what direction is in the best interest of US and OUR families." Looks like you dont have the exclusive, I can also call a spade a spade.

None of this is "productive conversation" guys. Let's get back to Anthony's questions. I think they were answered well, but think we need to explain to Anthony the details of the NJA negotiations, to help clarify his last question.

After 3+ years of contract negotiations the NJA MEC presented a TA to their pilots. The TA was FAR inferior to what the pilots were being led to believe they were going to get. Pay was subpar, backpay was almost non-existant, scope was bad, etc. That TA got voted down by 90+% (not sure of the actual number. Can you imagine that, Anthony? Our pilots being over 90% united? I can and it feels good.

After the miserable TA was voted down, it became apparent that some of the MEC members were in the pockets of management, we've lovingly come to know them as "Kool-Aid Drinker." The pilots, as a united workforce, voted to oust the MEC and vote in new members. The old MEC was easily defeated by the new MEC (Strong Union). From that date I do beleive it was less than a year before NJA got their stellar and industry changing TA. In that year they further proved the unity of their workforce and held a strike vote that passed again over the 90% mark. This is what some believe to have turn the tides (in less than a year) to bring managment to the realization that they couldn't buy their pilots for peanuts anymore.

This is why many of us at FlOps beleive an Options Strong Union is the way to go. I think that with the right people in place we too can have a contract in about a year. Plus, we're not going to be trying to change the industry like NJA had to, we only want a fair and balanced (credit FOX News) contract to compare ourselves with the rest of the industry. We won't be asking for the moon, we'll be asking for what our competitors are already getting. If NJA is making it work, and our (mis)management can't "figure out how NJ is doing this" then I don't think the problem lies with the pilots, it's the management.

Draw your own conclusions, Anthony, but I will be voting "yes" for 1108 and beleive I will be doing keg stands in celebration in 2007.

 

[Frac Rat]

Oops!

Capn Vegetto, thanks for the correction, there is no Feb. 30th. I'm not so good at complicated technical things like calendars!
I meant to say Feb. 31st!

 

[choppengruven]

guido411

Thank you for guiding this post in the right direction. A union at FLOP's will most certainly be a positive thing. More importantly a contract is the answer. My yes vote is in.

 

[Phoenix]

The Rest Of The Story

Fraccapt & Hawkercpt

I don't want to derail this thread but I feel it necessary to set the record straight.

First with FracCapt, You were banned from the board for not providing you contact information that is a requirement from all of the pilots on the board. You gained access early after the board was set up and when I discovered we have no contact info for you, you were given the opportunity to rectify this situation and you chose not to be a member of the board under the established requirement we maintain. There was no personal issue with me or anyone else as you have attempted say. You are welcome back at any time all it takes is complying with the same requirements that the rest of us 396 pilots have had to comply with.

Hawkercpt, you have not been banned, you are the one that took the stand that you would no longer post on the board. You still go to the board and read the information there frequently. The reason that you were contacted about the content of your post is because of the abusive language you continued to use against other pilots that didn't not agree with you. You were not asked to comply with any rules that myself and the other 396 pilots that use the board have to comply with. You decision not to post on the board is you choice.
This is just to set the record straight and dispel in accurate account of these men's stories.
Sorry to interrupt the thread, please continue.

Phoenix
CONTRACT ASAP

 

[FracCapt]

First with FracCapt, You were banned from the board for not providing you contact information that is a requirement from all of the pilots on the board. You gained access early after the board was set up and when I discovered we have no contact info for you, you were given the opportunity to rectify this situation and you chose not to be a member of the board under the established requirement we maintain. There was no personal issue with me or anyone else as you have attempted say. You are welcome back at any time all it takes is complying with the same requirements that the rest of us 396 pilots have had to comply with.

Phoenix,

You claim to have "set the record straight"....but now I'll tell "the rest of the story".

I signed on to the Options IBT board during its infancy. Before I signed on, I spoke with Grizz regarding some concerns I had about signing onto that board and posting there. After speaking with Grizz, I signed onto the board and he verified my position with FLOPS, allowed me access, and "removed identity data from the server" as you guys claim.

I had posted on the IBT board for a couple weeks, IIRC, and as soon as my opinion differed from yours and your cronies you PM'd me and said that you don't have my contact info, and I must provide it immediately or be deleted. I told you I had already provided my contact info to Grizz. You then PM'd me with my first and last name, which indicates you HAD THE NECESSARY INFO. You told me that because of my opinion, I must prove I am who I say I am by providing ALL my contact info to you, or be deleted. As I told you and Grizz....I provided Grizz with my info initially, and you later decided that was not good enough. I even told you that YOU OR GRIZZ could call me, or call me on a 3 way call(which Grizz volunteered to do, but you declined) to verify I am who I say I am. I refused to provide YOU with my info for a SECOND time because I didn't, at the time, trust you. I also told you what I think of you, personally. I don't need to prove that I know exactly who you are....because I already did so privately to you, and I refuse to call you out publicly by name because management would then know who you are. So, you suspended my account. Boo-fukin-hoo.

Care to refute it? Go ahead. Make sure to get Grizz involved since he was in on it initially. I spoke with him several times, at length, regarding this...and before this ever happened.

As I said....I don't like you on a personal level. I'm sure you can figure out why. That said, I appreciate the job you've done thus far. I have backed the Union for a long time, and will continue to do so through the vote. At that point, I hope that you do not become part of the MEC, just based on my personal views of you.

 

[XPGuy]

All you had to do was provide an e-mail address and you wouldn't have been deleted. You didn't want to provide it... you got deleted. End of story, dude.

This isn't Grizz's call obviously, it isn't his pilot group, Griz is an MEC committee member for Net JetsIt's obvious why he didn't want to call you, he doesn't want you to know who you are.

That's an aweful hard head you got, there. I bet if you e-mailed [email protected] the contact information that everybody else provided HIM, you would be re-instated. Why should you be special?

 

[FracCapt]

All you had to do was provide an e-mail address and you wouldn't have been deleted. You didn't want to provide it... you got deleted. End of story, dude.

Bullsh!t. He never asked for an email address. I would have given that, because it does not identify me in any way. Hell, I even would have given him my BB email address....as he already knew my FULL NAME anyways.

 

[XPGuy]

Fraccapt & Hawkercpt

You were banned from the board for not providing you contact information that is a requirement from all of the pilots on the board. You gained access early after the board was set up and when I discovered we have no contact info for you, you were given the opportunity to rectify this situation and you chose not to be a member of the board under the established requirement we maintain.

Phoenix
CONTRACT ASAP

As I said, end of story. You can rectify it if you choose, I gave you the e-mail address if you want to do it, and I doubt Phoenix would deny you access if you did that. The choice has always been yours.