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Frac Rat

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Earlier this evening, on the Flight Options company board, one of our junior SIC's submitted a post with a couple of interesting questions. I did not feel free to answer them on the company board for fear of retaliation by FLOPS mgt, so I am posting my answers here in the hope that he and others will read them.

First question:"Did we get screwed by by the NMB notification coming now?" (he was referring to today's company email that due to the upcoming union vote, we're not getting the raise that mgt was promising us on the 31st)
Answer: Welcome to the way FLOPS does business. There was NEVER any intention on their part to give us ANYTHING. Mgt has known since before Christmas that the union would be filing with the NMB in early Jan. (it was publicly announced on this board and in other places). That's why we got that email saying that they "needed more time" to work on our benefits package and extended the rollout date 'till Jan. 31. If FLOPS mgt wanted to give us industry standard wages, they could have done it the same day as Citation Shares, or any time since then. In a nutshell, this answer is NO.

Second question: "Would it not have made more sense to wait until the revised compensation and domicile policy came out by the end of January?"
Answer: If the union would have waited until the end of Jan, then mgt. would have decided that they "needed more time" to work out the details and extended the rollout date to Feb. 30. And so on. And so on.

Last question: "I have concerns that if the union gets voted in that it will take years before anything changes (4 years for Netjets). What motivation will the company have at that point?

Answer: What motivation will the company have to change things for the better if the union vote vote fails and the union threat goes away? Anthony, I know you have only been here about 3 months, so you haven't gotten the chance to experience the screwing that the rest of us have gotten over the past 2 years, but I tell you sincerely, if the union threat goes away, we aint seen nothin yet!!
You are right, it may take a long time to get our first contract put together and signed, but now that we are in the "laboratory period" (as Mr Tyler called it) they can't take anything more away, either.

If anyone reading this post knows Anthony M. at FLOPS, would you please tell him about this thread? And Anthony, if you read this, I hope it helps you to understand our situation. I wish you the best of luck in your decision.
the Rat
 
Yo Rat your safe at the ASAP board, there are 385 FLOPS pilots signed up on that board. Your just as safe there as you are here.
 
It took 4 years at NJA only due to the inept leadership in our former local 284. Since the inception of the highly qualified and motivated local 1108, it actually only 8 months-negotiations resumed in Feb '05-until we got a huge improvement to our overall lifestyle and compensation package.

I understand the reluctance of anyone to join the group based upon the last local, but the new one is far superior and willing to share a vast wealth of knowledge and experience with any and all interested. If nothing else, at least you'll have seniority rights almost at once. Just ask the EJM guys, some were quite senior, that were let go at the whim of the company. Ask the Flex and RTA guys that were let go, again some quite senior.

Bottom line is it will take extreme dedication and perserverence on any group to hang tough and fight the good fight. What have you got to lose? If you're not satified, you can always decertify or form your own union. The dues argument is ridiculous. Most if not all NJA pilots far surpassed their dues with grievance awards alone. If you expect to profit from the benevolence of management, you're wasting your time.
 
dime line said:
Yo Rat your safe at the ASAP board, there are 385 FLOPS pilots signed up on that board. Your just as safe there as you are here.


He was referring to the FLOPS Company pilot message board, and no, it is NOT safe to post there.

The Union message board, located at http://www.ibt1108.org IS safe to post with about 400 Options pilots registered, and only pilots on the seniority board have access to it. Management pilots excluded.




LX

Get your CONTRACT ASAP!
 
Not true. We have restricted no pilot other than Flight Options management from the board. And we know that even they have access to the site through pro-management pilot moles, which is fine.

We have nothing to hide from our Flight Options pilots, but we do offer a safe place for pilots to post, unlike the company's board.




LX

Get your CONTRACT ASAP!
 
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No. You'll jusy threaten to ban them from the site if they continue to post anything that isn't within your agenda.
 
Actually you and MAYBE one other person are the only pilot who's had a problem there, HawkerCpt, and it had nothing to do with our agenda - you on more than one occasion chose to violate the IBT's rules for posting in their forums - ie, the name calling of individual pilots and personal attacks against them for their views.... you are welcome to continue posting there all you want, say whatever you want, as long as you follow the same rules we all have to follow in regards to respecting our other pilots who post there as well. You have NOT been banned from the forums.




LX

Get your CONTRACT ASAP!
 

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