Another one bites the dust...

[learflyer]

on your six.......your retired from the millitary right?

Yep, he probably is. I love those guys who just do this for fun or beer money, or as a "hobby". 16 days away from home is fun? Well, your bringing down the salaries of those of us who HAVE to do this.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

16 days away from home is fun? Well, your bringing down the salaries of those of us who HAVE to do this.

 

[Grizz]

Hey,

I'm retired military. The difference is that I don't figure my retirement money into what I should be making at another job. My retirement is money I earned but didn't get paid during those 20 years. NetJets should still pay me a professional salary regardless of my retirement from Uncle Sam's flying club.

 

[dime line]

Griz

I'm glad to hear that.your retirement check dosen't distort your civillian thoughts of paychecks. Congrats on your retirement. I'm just sick of hearing retired guys say "the pay is just fine" "I'm glad Martha is paying my paycheck" "you make enough", that last one was from a retired Col. who brags about his 2nd beach house.

Mean while my co captain has a wife and a kid and makes less than our large cabin flight attendants, which if i'm mistaken don't even go to flight attendant school.

 

[JimNtexas]

Hey,

I'm retired military. The difference is that I don't figure my retirement money into what I should be making at another job. My retirement is money I earned but didn't get paid during those 20 years. NetJets should still pay me a professional salary regardless of my retirement from Uncle Sam's flying club.

ABSO-BLANKING-LUTLY!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dep676]

No, just the "How can I feel sorry for myself as a pilot with all the real problems happing in the world right now" party. NO ONE is saying what you are insinuating, and if you had READ my posts, rather than just make assumptions out of your narcissitic, entitled, conclusion jumping manner, you would have seen what the point is. YES, by all means, go for the gold...try to increase your pay...but LOSE the highly unattractive entitlement mentality, and the life of MISERY that you are allowing yourself to lead. If you cannot POSSIBLY find any reason to carry yourself in a better way, because the misery is so consuming...then it is time to LEAVE your company (and/or the industry), and do something meaningful with your lives. This message board reminds me a of crew room full of pilots...so miserable, and it INFECTS the WHOLE industry. Can you work for better pay without being so RADICALLY unhappy? RADICAL unhappiness warrants a change...you are NOT "stuck" where you are, and if it was TRULY as imminently "doom and gloom" as you are making it to be, I have to question your sanity as to why you are still there.
Take a sabbatical, get to Phuket and HELP some people TRULY in need, and get a reality check on this life of yours.

Sir put down the Kool-Aid and step away. I do not recall anywhere in this thread me posting how bad it is at my current company. Also for your knowledge. I am looking at getting out of the dead end company this thread was originally started about.

Why do you think it is so bad to try and improve things while we are still here? Do you even work at any of the fractionals? If so you must have an IV with a Kool-Aid drip. Your way of thinking is what is keeping any of the fractionals of improving pay or QOL for the pilots. In case you missed the part of my post and others that there are families still qualifing for government aid that work at these fractionals. Have you seen what the owners are paying to fly around in these aircraft? The millions they are paying are sure not going in the pilots pockets.

 

[Dep676]

Dep676, better check your black berry. Things are changing in CGF. Next is domicile. Hope the XP type is worth something where you are.

I know just the message this morning. Also why do you think I got my type in the XP????????????? I didn't say things were rosy either. I had a motive for going to the XP long before I went to it. Matter of fact buying resume paper and stamps today.

 

[On Your Six]

All I've gotta say is thank God you're not part of our voting block.

I know lots of pilots at NetJets that aren't necessarily looking for "the big bucks." What they are looking for is a salary commensurate with the profession they are in. They fly the world's richest people in corporate jets and expect to be paid a professional salary.

Folks like yourself drive this industry into the crap heap. "Hey, I'm flying a pretty new jet and staying in a decent hotel...who needs any pay for this?" If you weren't so pathetic you'd almost be funny.

Ooooh no, there goes Grizz with his holier-than-thou attitude... I never said that fractional pilots shouldn't pursue a pay raise... Everyone deserves pay increases and to be paid "what they're worth." Warren Buffet has a ton of money and the Netjets guys deserve a big raise - no argument there. I merely suggested that people who are looking to enter the fractional business should enter with their eyes open - the schedule and pay are most likely sub-par when compared with some airline jobs. People who are interested in working for a fractional should be aware of the big pay differences - hopefully the gap will start to close sooner than later.

I was also attempting to point out that not every fractional pilot views pay as the primary determinent of their happiness - aircraft types, schedule and route variety matter to some pilots more than others. Of course pay rates need to increase - especially the starting pay which is abysmal... I never stated otherwise. Let me guess, you are a glass half-empty kinda guy and a lot of fun to fly with...

 

[Driver]

I dont come to this board (or any board) very often... because they're all the same... Someone starts with a good question or coment.. then the helpful replys (some with knowledge some without)... next comes the comlaining and finally the gloves come off. Gilligan's Island wasn't that predictable.

I'm off and up out.

 

[Fracster]

I'm off and up out.

Straight from the Delta wav file. Funniest dang thing I ever heard.

 

[Frac Daddy]

Dep676, better check your black berry. Things are changing in CGF. Next is domicile. Hope the XP type is worth something where you are.

I have heard the Tier 3 airports are about to go bye-bye. What have you heard?

 

[G100driver]

Boy, I almost went to the fracs and after talking to friends at you know who... plus these boards, I am very grateful to be in a cushy G200 corporate gig.. even with it's own flaws. But the pay is better, no PFT, execllent maintenance; and most of the time I am on call, I am on call sitting on a beach in Florida. The fracs management are nothing more than wanna-be airline execs. And we know just how magnificent airline execs are.

Just remember when you are sitting on the beach it is still work, ulness that is where you live. I am sitting in HI right now. I just make sure that when ever the owner tells me how great it is to be a pilot in Hawaii that I just laugh say, "it beats Teterboro, but I do not see the diference, work is work."

If they respect you they will understand. These guys also travel for a living.

 

[bafanguy]

Just remember when you are sitting on the beach it is still work, ulness that is where you live. I am sitting in HI right now. I just make sure that when ever the owner tells me how great it is to be a pilot in Hawaii that I just laugh say, "it beats Teterboro, but I do not see the diference, work is work."

G100,

Bingo !! You've hit the nail on the head. You are doing what it takes to remain on your employer's payroll. If that involves being on a beach, that isn't your problem...it's not a management decision you made...you signed on to do what what was asked of you, and apparently, that is just what you are doing. If the groundpounders have a problem with that, it would be their problem...not yours.

 

[beechjetpilot1]

I bet some of the tier 2 airports will go bye-bye also.

 

[ditch]

I dont come to this board (or any board) very often... because they're all the same... Someone starts with a good question or coment.. then the helpful replys (some with knowledge some without)... next comes the comlaining and finally the gloves come off. Gilligan's Island wasn't that predictable.

I'm off and up out.

word to your mother

cheers

 

[Dep676]

About 80 FO pilots use teir three domicile airports. These pilots cost the most to move about the country because of the connecting legs. These pilots will have to change to another airport or move on to greener pastures IF they can.

DEP676; hope it works out for you.

Why is it then when you are at a "tier 1" airport and they can get you a direct flight to home they don't? They still make you get a connection. Also when I book tickets for myself more than half the time it is cheaper to go out of a tier 3 with a connection. Than to go out of a tier 2 airport.

Also they don't even think twice about airlining you a couple of time chasing airplanes during rotation. Do they think that is saving them money? Just the other day they airlined a guy to an airport and his plane wasn't even there. So they had to airline back half way across the country to get his airplane. Do you think anyone caught HE!! for that one? Probably not. There is no accountablity in CGF.

If we flew the wrong pax or took them to the wrong airport. We would be fired or punished in some way.

Thanks thor. I got my fingers crossed for this one.

 

[Fracster]

Dep676 or whomever,


Can you guys explain your "tier" system for airlining to/from work?

Also, have you considered the changes could have something to do with all the Flops/NutJets merger rumors. No flame material here. Just an honest question.

 

[Dep676]

Well the best I can explain the tier system is. That all the big hubs ATL,ORD,LAX,EWR,JFK, and so on are all "tier 1" airports. The "tier 2" airports are the ones that have mulitple airlines and aren't really the hubs. The "tier 3" are the ones out in the middle of no where. Maybe with one or two airlines and they are usually regionals. That is the best way I can explain it for you. Anyone else have a better explaination?

The system used to be any airport that had three airlines and six flights a day. You could use that has your domicle. I think that might even be changing. My opinion is a "gateway" system like NetJets is coming.

 

[Fracster]

My opinion is a "gateway" system like NetJets is coming.

Like our current 28 gateway system or the RCA one that the Jacka$$ old MEC(Thats right Dave Vermuellen I'm talking about you)tried to pass?

 

[Dep676]

Current one. What is the RCA?

 

[Fracster]

The RCA debacle is a union/company negotiated hub system.

Its designed to have all current pilots fly out of their local apt provided they can get to EWR,ORL or LAX by 10:00am on their first day. (company buying the ticket of course). Those pilots who live within a 90 mile ring of those 3 airports and CMH or DFW would also receive a $6000 yearly incentive.
The catches are those pilots within those 5 hubs will be returned to their RCA by midnight where as non-rca pilot could be returned up to 3:00AM(regressive for 85% of the pilot group).
The kicker was this "deal" was only good for current pilots. Any pilot hired after ratification would be forced to move to one of those 5 RCA's or not accept the job. Have you seen what we make??? Have you seen what it costs to live in some of those areas.

Anyhow, that is the jist of it. There is alot more and it wasnt good for the majority of the pilot group.
Of course it didnt hurt that our old MEC already lived in CMH.

 

[waveoff]

And ANOTHER One Bites The Dust...

It's been real brotha's and sista's but I'm gonna make like a baby and head outta this cess pool. I've found something close to home with better pay and benefits that will make me much happier. Actually, I've been quite happy for the past couple of months flying as a contract pilot on my days off. It was a wild ride but it's finally over. I learned a whole lot about jets, people, management types and myself during my tenure at FLOP's...so it wasn't a total wash. However, being that this is a small community I won't forget you handful of a$$wipes that made my life hell while I was there. You know who you are. You make life hell for everyone, not just me. What goes around comes around and I'm sure you'll get yours in the end. Maybe someday you'll be on the receiving end of my threats...now that'd be rad!

However, everyone else was an absolute joy to be around and I'll miss ya! Happy landings and I'll see you on the road!

 

[Fracster]

We need to turn this thread into "another one gets smart or gets a life" because "bites the dust" is too negative for someone lucky enough to leave the frac business.

 

[Grim Reaper]

waveoff: Fair winds and following seas my friend. I am working on leaving also. Hoping to for late summer.

 

[gunfyter]

I been hoping the military would get really hard up and activate me... after 11 years off active duty and 6 years out of the reserves. That was the good old days.