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Rez O. Lewshun

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Everything is legislative.....

U.S. Rep. DeFazio (D-Ore.) and nine other members of the House Aviation Subcommittee today expressed concerns about recent decisions by the administration to encourage and allow foreign ownership of U.S. infrastructure and industries that are critical to national security.

In a letter to President Bush, the House Aviation Subcommittee members urged the administration to reconsider its decision to allow Dubai Ports World to take over operations at six U.S. ports and to drop a proposed rule change that would allow foreign investors to control U.S. airlines.
The letter echoed ALPA's deep concerns about the administration's recent policy proposals regarding foreign control of U.S. airlines. The Association has lobbied aggressively against the rule change and has worked closely with members of Congress to stop its implementation. H.R.4542, the House bill to block the administration's foreign control proposal, now has more than 150 co-sponsors.

"The proposed change would result in U.S. citizens only having to have 'actual control' over safety and security decisions," the letter said. "Economic decisions, day-to-day operations, market strategy, and purchase of aircraft could be controlled by foreign officials. It is impossible, however, to isolate safety and security from the financial, commercial, and management decisions that foreign investors would be allowed to control. This proposal by DOT poses similar security questions as the port ownership actions."
"I'm pleased there's been so much attention on the ports issue recently," said Rep. DeFazio, "but people need to be aware that the administration is attempting to allow foreign governments and interests to control other important U.S. industries, like the airlines, as well. These policies put commercial interests and corporate profits above national security."
The letter was signed by Reps. DeFazio, Costello, Holden, Brown, Johnson, Pascrell, Capuano, Carnahan, Berkely, and Norton.

"The fast-track NPRM is alarming and irresponsible," says ALPA's president, Capt. Duane Woerth. "We salute Rep. DeFazio and the co-signers of this letter for taking a stand on this important issue."
 
Perhaps they are being EARNED!!!

Of course, one has to know the value of post #1. If you don't then you probably think ALPA salaries are too high. Why? Becuase like any short term instant gratification type, we want it all and we want it NOW!
 
So for DW's fighting the establishment on ALPA members' behalf he should be compensated more than twice what the highest paid ALPA pilots make? An ALPA secretary should make upwards of $50K/year while ALPA regional FO's make considerably less? I call BS on that one.
 
j41driver said:
So for DW's fighting the establishment on ALPA members' behalf he should be compensated more than twice what the highest paid ALPA pilots make? An ALPA secretary should make upwards of $50K/year while ALPA regional FO's make considerably less? I call BS on that one.
Several things:

1. Captain Woerth works about 20 times as much as any pilot, is forced to reside in the DC area, and shoulders all of the blame for every little problem that he has no control over. He not only earns what he makes, he deserves more as far as I'm concerned.

2. Much of the ALPA Herndon staff is unionized. They negotiate with the ALPA Officers and Legal department for their compensation package. Do you suggest that ALPA should act as our managements have behaved and try to extract draconian concessions from our hard-working staffers in Herndon? That would provide an excellent example. :rolleyes: Again, these staffers work their butts off for the ALPA membership and deserve every cent.

3. Comparing these staffers to regional FOs doesn't make any sense. Starting a career as a pilot has always required a ridiculously low salary for the first few years. Starting as a paralegal or financial analyst does not. To attract the top quality talent that we do, ALPA needs to offer competitive compensation packages to these professionals so they don't go elsewhere.

4. These salaries are only public knowledge because a bunch of anti-labor politicians decided to pass legislation to require this extra reporting from labor organizations a couple of years ago. Their intent in passing this legislation was to sow discontent in the labor ranks so as to undermine the labor movement. Judging by the posts on this board, they have accomplished their objective. You are allowing a bunch of politicians that could care less about you and your family to undermine your Association and your collective strength. Don't fall for their ploys.
 
PCL_128 said:
Several things:

Comparing these staffers to regional FOs doesn't make any sense. Starting a career as a pilot has always required a ridiculously low salary for the first few years. .

Only becasue idiots like you take the fast track at Gulfstream Academy and undercut the value of a real pilot. PCL, you are the reason I quit the airline business. When someone like you can spend money and buy your job I lost all respect for being an airline pilot.
 
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BE90flyer said:
Only becasue idiots like you take the fast track at Gulfstream Academy and undercut the value of a real pilot. PCL, you are the reason I quit the airline business. When someone like you can spend money and buy your job I lost all respect for being an airline pilot.

Huh? I started my airline career before there was PFT and I started at a "ridiculously low" salary. ($1,500/mo)

Your "cause-and-effect" argument needs some facts. Can you make your point without inaccurate generalizations?
 
I will back up my statement with facts only if PCL backs up his statement that

"Captain Woerth works about 20 times as much as any pilot"
 
BE90flyer said:
I will back up my statement with facts only if PCL backs up his statement that

"Captain Woerth works about 20 times as much as any pilot"

So now we're back in the 3rd grade?

How about we all agree that it is impossible to establish how "hard" any pilot works? I understood his point.

If I understand your's correctly, PCL's method of getting his job ruined your career. Is that a fair analysis?

If so, Show me.
 
"PCL's method of getting his job ruined your career" No, I lost repect for my job, there is a difference.

The airline I worked had a reputation for only hiring higher time, experienced pilots. Soon after I got hired they changed the hiring methods and now people with 300 hours who went through an accelerated course but has no prior experience flying anything professionally started sitting in the same seat as me doing the same job as I was. With that I lost respect for my job and decided to quit.
 

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