Alaska pilots' contract

[yessman]

Does anyone know where I can download a copy of the latest Alaska pilots' contract, or does someone have a copy they can PM to me? Thanks.

 

[turbodriver]

I'd like to see this as well.

 

[8v8ter]

You mean the one from 2 years ago? Because we're in negotioations right now for the new one.

 

[ReverseSensing]

You mean the one from 2 years ago? Because we're in negotioations right now for the new one.

And I hope Bill Ayer is farting vaseline bubbles when you're done with him.

 

[ferlo]

And I hope Bill Ayer is farting vaseline bubbles when you're done with him.

Why would we give him the courtesy of Vaseline? He didn't for us.

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Why would we give him the courtesy of Vaseline? He didn't for us.

Cuz it sux calling for the weiner fire checklist. Plus the smoke is RANCID!!

 

[QCappy]

Cuz it sux calling for the weiner fire checklist. Plus the smoke is RANCID!!

Did you just spell sucks: S-U-X? Are you the mysterious LMT grafitti artist? Do you grieve over Jan Lindner's hotel selections?

 

[mach none]

An interesting element that is not talked about often is the fact that Horizon is in talks too. This could mean lots of trouble for Alaska Ayer Group.

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Did you just spell sucks: S-U-X? Are you the mysterious LMT grafitti artist? Do you grieve over Jan Lindner's hotel selections?

Not me but Jan Lindner is HOT! On a side note, i actually like K falls overnights.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Did you just spell sucks: S-U-X? Are you the mysterious LMT grafitti artist?

You know what amazed me about that alleged graffiti: they spelled Jan's last name right, but then got "sucks" wrong. BTW, I agree that place sux, but that's just not the way to go about expressing one's displeasure.

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

An interesting element that is not talked about often is the fact that Horizon is in talks too. This could mean lots of trouble for Alaska Ayer Group.

True dat, however at the current rate of progress, it'll be May before we get a contract TA'd. May of which year, I have no idea. Sounds like you Alaska folk will have something on the table long before we do!

 

[ReverseSensing]

Not me but Jan Lindner is HOT! On a side note, i actually like K falls overnights.

There are so many things wrong with that sentence, I don't know where to begin.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Why would we give him the courtesy of Vaseline? He didn't for us.

He only had one accomplice. You guys oughta be pullin' train on him this time around. Have a little humanity.

 

[FreightPup]

RS,
Shouldn't you be studying or something?

 

[tico]

True dat, however at the current rate of progress, it'll be May before we get a contract TA'd. May of which year, I have no idea. Sounds like you Alaska folk will have something on the table long before we do!

Not likely.....we are looking at 09 maybe and that would just be a prelude to self help

 

[fly-n-fish]

Rumor has it that pilots and the ayerline are light years apart on some very crucial issues. '09 at best. Ugly summer imminent.

 

[Hpilot]

True dat, however at the current rate of progress, it'll be May before we get a contract TA'd. May of which year, I have no idea. Sounds like you Alaska folk will have something on the table long before we do!

Man the way you talk have you been dating Dre Dog(big hootered FA)

 

[Q400 Gear Bitch]

Man the way you talk have you been dating Dre Dog(big hootered FA)

Don't know her. My point on the comment was that our negotiations (Horizon) seem to be going slow (from a non negotiator perspective) compared to Alaskas. It will be an interesting summer indeed. G'luck to y'all.

JL is HOT! Oh and Molly too!

 

[ReverseSensing]

RS,
Shouldn't you be studying or something?

Shouldn't you be gettin' back to work one of these days. This ain't a day-care we're runnin' here you know.

 

[Hpilot]

Don't know her. My point on the comment was that our negotiations (Horizon) seem to be going slow (from a non negotiator perspective) compared to Alaskas. It will be an interesting summer indeed. G'luck to y'all.

JL is HOT! Oh and Molly too!

I hope all the air group pilots get a healthy raise. Especially Alaska after the 30% hit they took.

 

[Singlecoil]

Latest rumor is that Alaska management's singular goal is a 10 percent profit margin. They claim the airline cannot get financing for growth aircraft if it is anything less. At a recent PIC seminar, management claimed that the pay scales pilots are requesting would put them at a 2 percent profit margin and that that simply wouldn't happen.
Unfortunately for management, they have set this company on an unsustainable path. They have successfully angered the employee group, and the pilots in particular, to the point that either management goes, or we will have significant changes in not only pay, but in the way that the contract is followed by management for the company to have any sort of future.
This company has been poorly managed for too long. At this point, I think some sort of merger or buyout would be beneficial to the pilot group.
If I still owned any ALK stock I would surely dump it. It will be worth less than $20 by June.

 

[mach none]

A 10% profit margin has never been achieved in the airline industry for any sustainable time. They have attacked labor to the point that we have fallen off the slippery slope.

I am at three months and increasing.

 

[lumax]

"I am at three months and increasing."

What does that mean?

 

[mach none]

Money

 

[ferlo]

HELOCs are cheap, and easy...get one now.

 

[mach none]

I have one of those too, but cash is still king.

 

[ferlo]

I have one of those too, but cash is still king.

Very true.

 

[akairman702]

Sound Familiar?

Here are some exerpts from a recent MSN article related to the recent poor management at Home Depot. It rings so familiar at Alaska (and I'm sure many other airlines as well) that I thought it was worth posting. Reading it made me wonder what it would be like to work for a company with real leaders, who were interested in sharing with employees (to a significant degree) the successes that those employees created. Stick together, Alaska Pilots ~ that's what it's going to take.

In 1914, Henry Ford made a "bet the company" decision. Conventional thinkers thought he was insane. Those without Ford's imagination were certain his decision would send Ford Motor into bankruptcy.

What did this radical industrialist do?

He chopped the workday down to eight hours, and he doubled employees' daily wages. But he did not do this out of compassion. He had no desire to share the wealth. He made a hardheaded business decision.
Absenteeism plummeted. Worker turnover virtually disappeared. So did the number of accidents; ditto the number of manufacturing defects. Meanwhile, productivity soared. And the automotive age was born.

Today, the reverse is happening. The entire structure that promotes worker security, health and devoted service is being systematically dismantled. As investors, we benefit from this. But the largest beneficiaries are corporate executives. Every dime they squeeze out of payroll drops to the bottom line. The same money takes them a step closer to realizing gigantic stock-option gains. (Poster's note: the article, which I clumsily and incompletely copied, also made the point that employees are now considered liabilities rather than assets by most managements).

No, I'm not a closet socialist. I'm just observing and reporting recent history.
Skeptics should visit the MSN Money message boards. Read some of the 6,000 responses to my recent column about Home Depot. (And that's just the tip of the iceberg. MSN Money reports an additional 10,000 e-mails.)
Read through those messages and you'll find two things. First, you'll find an outpouring of testimony. It tells us how thoroughly Home Depot (HD, news, msgs) management policies have burned their customer franchise rather than build it. But the messages also come from present and former Home Depot employees. As one put it, "If you think being a customer at Home Depot stinks, try being an employee."

Investors cheer the news that the company's new chief is getting a pay package that's significantly lower than his predecessor's.

Wall Street Journal reporter Ann Zimmerman, after attending an analyst conference, reported that Home Depot planned to add 15,000 net new employees this year.

Query: Is that a lot? More important, is it enough?

It seems like a big number. It amounts to about a 5% increase. It's also a lot of money -- about $300 million of added payroll. But when measured against the size of the company, it's a tiny gesture:
It's only 0.37% of sales.
It's a slender 1.7% of operating expenses.
It's a mere 3.2% of the pretax profit for 2005.
As gestures go, it's way short of Henry Ford. It's timid, not daring, when you consider what's at stake.

Then again, that $300 million is more than the $211 million the board of directors paid one man, Robert Nardelli, to leave.

 

[Rhino]

not a rumor

During the recent JPMorgan Aviation and Transportation Conference, Tilden said Alaska's goal was a profit margin of 10% per year. And, in response to an analyst's question regarding pilot wages, he characterized the pilot group as a "cost containment challenge".

http://www.mapdigital.com/jpmorgan/aviation07/welcome.html

 

[ReverseSensing]

...in response to an analyst's question regarding pilot wages, he characterized the pilot group as a "cost containment challenge".

AG management is a "spin containment challenge." (Or pick another 4-letter word starting with 's').