Airnet mins

[CX880]

Hi, just a quick question I had. Why are the hiring mins 500 hours for Airnet, aren't they are pt135 operation?

 

[Flysher]

those are just mins to apply. you wont get brought to class unless your close to 1200 hours.

 

[N60OSU]

We have an SIC program for pilots that don't meet the 135 mins. I believe the posted mins to apply are the minimum needed to operate 135 under day VFR, though I've not heard of any such flights being conducted. A pilot is not assigned as a PIC until they have the standard 1200/500/100/75. SICs do ferry A/C under Part 91 occasionally but the program is intended for them to sit right seat on the line until they reach single pilot mins. Practically the total required to come to class is 1050. They will want the 75 IFR because there is no guarantee of getting on the line. You can be short X/C or night but they will want you to be able to reach those before you reach the TT min.

It's a great program and I'm glad I went through it before getting my own run. It's a very different world than the FAR61/91/141 from which most of us come. Cutting my teeth with an experienced pilot was INVALUABLE. One more time: INVALUABLE.

 

[QuasarZ]

I looked on the website but it did not say much about the SIC program. Is this a paid position, do you have specific routes to fly, how many days a week, if you are sitting right seat how do you log the time ( the empty pt 91 legs)? Thanks for any info!!

 

[N60OSU]

I looked on the website but it did not say much about the SIC program. Is this a paid position, do you have specific routes to fly, how many days a week, if you are sitting right seat how do you log the time ( the empty pt 91 legs)? Thanks for any info!!

As an SIC you attend the same initial training program as the PIC qualified pilots. Upon successful completion of your checkride you are a full time employee with the same benefits and priveleges as any other pilot. Your salary is about 70% that of a prop PIC. When I went through training (June 2005) I took a full 135.293/297 checkride and received a PIC letter. An SIC I flew with at the end of 2005 had only received an SIC letter so I'm not sure exactly where that stands now. Also, I was assigned a seniority number at the completion of my checkride. I've not heard any change to that policy but I believe it was under review at one point in late 2005 or early 2006.

As far as a run goes they were quite flexible with me. All plots are qualified on the Baron only until their PIC assignment requires training on the Caravan or Navajo. As an SIC you are limited to serving on the Baron. There are "preferred" runs that are high time and get you through the program quickly. If you take a five day run you will be paid accordingly. I flew out of MEM on the run that was 4 days in the Baron and one night in the Caravan. Obviously I onlw flew the Baron nights but a mixed A/C run is an option if it has enough Baron time over the course of the week. My initial PIC assignment was out of AGC (Pittsburgh) ona 4 day Baron run (since closed) getting about 30 hours per week. I flew it for about 2 1/2 months and only had a couple of weeks without an SIC. I currently fly a 4 day Baron run getting about half that flight time and would be SHOCKED if an SIC were allowed to join me.

With respect to logging the flight time I logged all of the time as PIC except for those legs flown by the manifest PIC. As it was explained to me in training a pilot with appropriate category and class ratings for the aircraft flown may log as PIC time that time during which they were the sole manipulator of the flight controls. The legs you fly you may log as PIC. Part 135 is not a factor since it does not address how one may log flight time. The manifest PIC logged the time as PIC since he was listed as PIC on the manifest. As a manifest crewmember on the legs flown by the PIC you may log the flight time just not as PIC. Clear as mud? It was to me, too.

 

[CX880]

Oh well, fly the baron or the CRJ, tough choice.

 

[N60OSU]

Oh well, fly the baron or the CRJ, tough choice.

Truth be told I was out of an instructing job when Airnet came calling or I probably would have held out for the airlines. In retrospect overnight freight dogging may not be sexy but it's damn good experience. Not just stick time but also (and as important) the experience with making command decisions. It's very demanding with little workload assumed by the aircraft systems. If you have a choice fly freight for a bit and if you want to go to the airlines you pretty much have you pick and you will ace training.

 

[microbrewst]

They will want the 75 IFR because there is no guarantee of getting on the line.

you need the 75 ifr because it would be illegal to log it on the line without the 135 IFR mins. the way the program is supposed to work is that as many legs as possible will be conducted under vfr. the "sic" will fly and log all vfr legs as the pic.

 

[mikecweb]

Oh well, fly the baron or the CRJ, tough choice.

Key word in that sentence is fly

 

[unreal]

What's the current upgrade time into the Lear? I'd have absolutely no qualms about flying a Baron around if it meant that I'd be looking at turbojet time in the future.