AirMidwest B1900 Off Runway

[DrinkSweetTea]

Wind blows landing plane off runway
Scott Daugherty

High winds knocked U.S. Airways Express Flight 5208 off the Manhattan Regional Airport runway Monday evening — ultimately causing the nose wheel to collapse — according to airport officials.

Airport Director Russ Johnson said three passengers and two pilots were on board at the time of the accident. No injuries were reported.

Johnson explained that the Beech 1900D — which has a scheduled stop in Manhattan on its way from Salina to Kansas City — left the runway shortly after landing at about 5 p.m.

"A gust of wind took him (the pilot) in the opposite direction," Johnson said, explaining that the plane was off the runway for about 500 feet. As the pilot brought the plane back onto the runway, the front landing gear collapsed — damaging the nose of the plane.

Johnson said the accident was "unusual" just as any airplane accident is unusual.

Another Beech-1900 operated under the U.S. Airways Express name was destroyed January 8, 2003 shortly after taking off from Charlotte, N.C. Everyone on board — including 19 passengers and two crew members — died in the accident.

"Whether it is a (Beech) 1900 or a (Boeing) 737, accidents can happen," Johnson said.
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Anyone know how high these winds where?

 

[nck4857]

If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the winds were 310 @ 15 G 22 and they landing on runway 3.

http://www.faa.gov/avr/aai/E_0316_N.txt

 

[Av8trxx]

Another Beech-1900 operated under the U.S. Airways Express name was destroyed January 8, 2003 shortly after taking off from Charlotte, N.C. Everyone on board — including 19 passengers and two crew members — died in the accident.

The media sucks. Like they really needed to attatch THAT addition to the article?!

 

[I.P. Freley]

Agreed. I would hope that the layperson would notice that the AirMiddie plane that crashed on TAKEOFF had no relevance to the AirMiddie plane that had an incident on LANDING.

But... That's probably too much to ask. All that matters is that they were from the same company, and simply mentioning the CLT crash allows them to say "Air Midwest and/or the 1900 are unsafe" without actually saying it (though the author didn't actually make that point, only saying a Beech operated by "US Airways Express name" was involved in the crash).

Nice work, Mr. Dougherty.

 

[B190Captain]

WEATHER: 31015G22KTS 10SM BKN023 OVC037 02/03 A3000

Winds were not that bad IMHO. I am glad no one was hurt. It was also in poor taste to mention the CLT accident. What can you expect from the press.

 

[jetfueljunkey]

Yeah they also failed to mention that the nosewheel steering was inop!

 

[Flywrite]

I have no B1900/King Air experience, but I wonder if there is a wind limitation for ops with the NWS inop?

On another note, whatever happened to that guy who was around a few months ago who would start a thread like "USAir Loses One in KS!" for an incident like this? Maybe he is with the media now.

Anyway...glad they were all OK.

 

[jobear]

Nothing like MEL's to make life more interesting, I have done the nosewheel inop once before and honestly it scared the crap outa me.

Glad no one was hurt
Bear

 

[jetfueljunkey]

No...there is no limitation for wind or anything if the NWS is inop. Yeah I am glad no one was hurt as well! It is a shame that the medai has to try and make everything look so bad! Down right sad if you ask me that they even compared the 2 accidents!

 

[WileE]

Sounds like

Someone just got a harder than necessary lesson on your standard winds in Kansas. I flew in that system for quite awhile and a high direct crosswind is pretty much the norm flying into those airports.

 

[jetfueljunkey]

WhileE....I absolutely love your quote! It rocks! As for strong crosswinds I agree 110% Flew the Mighty Beech for 4 years in that system and can remember some really strong gusty crosswinds...especially in the Little Apple (MHK). Get some really funky winds across the ridge line there on final and after touchdown!

 

[B1900DFO]

Does Manhattan regional have a very narrow runway or something? 22 knot crosswind doesn't seem that severe...

 

[jetfueljunkey]

It isn't that narrow, but without nosewheel steering, you are limited to free caster only. If a strong gust pointed them in the direction of the grass.....only some hard braking and assymetrical thrust may get you back in the right direction.....

 

[I.P. Freley]

>>>On another note, whatever happened to that guy who was around a few months ago who would start a thread like "USAir Loses One in KS!" for an incident like this? Maybe he is with the media now.<<<

You're thinking of "80for80", I think. Mercifully, s/he's gone. Might've lost their account, but all those threads you mention have been deleted.

 

[deskjobssuck]

It seems to me that the nosewheel steering inop is no big yank. I.P., let me know if I'm wrong, but before we upgraded our fleet a couple years ago, they all had power steering which you didn't even turn on till you were about to clear the runway. Until that point all you had was a free castering nosewheel. The only place that free castering is a drag now is on the ramp, but even that can be better than a stiff nosewheel that won't turn over for the tight turns. But who knows, I may just be a crack whore. Either way, glad everyone's ok.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Well you're most definitely right, the "old" D's at CA were all (?) equipped with power steering. It was frequently MEL'd because the actuators were finicky and you were stuck with nothing but a free-caster steering. I preferred the newer airplanes' manual steering, but that's just my preference.

Heck, the Saab can even be flown about with no power steering, and really, it's nothing more than an annoyance.

This doesn't mean that this had anything to do with the incident in question...

 

[chperplt]

While flying for Colgan in the land of the endless MEL, I routinely flew with a free castering nose wheel... It's a pain in the ass, but not very dangerous unless braking action gets poor. Wind shouldn't be a big factor if you're on your toes.

 

[IRELAND]

training class

hi air midwest,inc
i am a new hire for the 3-29-04 in kansas. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF ANY NEW HIRES WOULD LIKE TO SHARE HOTEL EXPENCES.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED PLEASE SEND BE AN E-MAIL
THANX CARL

 

[Flywrite]

You might have better luck with your own thread there Carl.

 

[Flywrite]

Oops...just noticed you have your own thread.

Good Luck in training!