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northmountain
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Hello,
Man that really sucks big time! Unfortunately, if they filed for bankruptcy protection it's going to be the customers(students) to the end of the line for getting your money (if any) back. A lot is going to depend on how the hearing goes and what the judge decides. Best suggestion would be to pool your resources and hire a good attorney to protect your interests. Best of luck to you and I hope that you are able to recover some of your hard earned cash.
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ex-Navy rotorhead
Man that really sucks big time! Unfortunately, if they filed for bankruptcy protection it's going to be the customers(students) to the end of the line for getting your money (if any) back. A lot is going to depend on how the hearing goes and what the judge decides. Best suggestion would be to pool your resources and hire a good attorney to protect your interests. Best of luck to you and I hope that you are able to recover some of your hard earned cash.
regards,
ex-Navy rotorhead
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It bites
I happen to work for lawyers. I'm unclear about how the place "folded"; did it declare bankruptcy?
You should talk to an attorney about claim(s) you would have against the place. Bring the attorney your contract. I second the idea of calling your local district attorney and state attorney-general. Maybe even the U.S. attorney as well.
Good luck.
PS-I suggested the U.S. Attorney because the place had operated in part under federal regulations. I don't recall if the place was a 14 CFR 141 school; even if it is not other federal regulations applied. Perhaps interstate commerce laws also apply. It's certainly worth a call.
I happen to work for lawyers. I'm unclear about how the place "folded"; did it declare bankruptcy?
You should talk to an attorney about claim(s) you would have against the place. Bring the attorney your contract. I second the idea of calling your local district attorney and state attorney-general. Maybe even the U.S. attorney as well.
Good luck.
PS-I suggested the U.S. Attorney because the place had operated in part under federal regulations. I don't recall if the place was a 14 CFR 141 school; even if it is not other federal regulations applied. Perhaps interstate commerce laws also apply. It's certainly worth a call.
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ATA Student List yahoo group
Hey guys, I've started a yahoo group to keep us all together on the SAME message board with a database we can all add our names and contact info to. That way we can keep track, make sure we all the the necessary information as quickly as possible, and any lawyers that do get involved, state or private, have a way to contact us. I don't want anyone falling through the cracks. If we have any chance at getting anything, it's got to be together. Pass the word along on any other internet message boards you know of and of course to all the students you know. Good Luck, hope this helps in some small way.
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Hey guys, I've started a yahoo group to keep us all together on the SAME message board with a database we can all add our names and contact info to. That way we can keep track, make sure we all the the necessary information as quickly as possible, and any lawyers that do get involved, state or private, have a way to contact us. I don't want anyone falling through the cracks. If we have any chance at getting anything, it's got to be together. Pass the word along on any other internet message boards you know of and of course to all the students you know. Good Luck, hope this helps in some small way.
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Usually
Usually what happens is that a supplier such as a fuel supplier initiates the shutdown by stopping service or blocking aircraft.
As it has been indicated here on these boards that the taxiway or some things were blocked that is probably what happened.
From here, they probably do go ahead and file for protection under the BK codes. Possible liquidation if no one is willing to front the DIP financing.
While I do not want to defend bad people, companies run out of money. This above is what happens. You can run to a bunch of attornies but it will likely be a waste. While you may not want to hear it, wait for awhile and see what happens.
Usually what happens is that a supplier such as a fuel supplier initiates the shutdown by stopping service or blocking aircraft.
As it has been indicated here on these boards that the taxiway or some things were blocked that is probably what happened.
From here, they probably do go ahead and file for protection under the BK codes. Possible liquidation if no one is willing to front the DIP financing.
While I do not want to defend bad people, companies run out of money. This above is what happens. You can run to a bunch of attornies but it will likely be a waste. While you may not want to hear it, wait for awhile and see what happens.
Robert Cooper
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The ATA situation seems to be similar to The Academy in Lakeland not too long ago. Students came back from (I believe) Winter break to find the school had closed down. Yet anither "pilot mill" goes belly-up and leaves the hopes and aspirations of many students grounded.
A story told far too often.
My name is Robert Cooper. My wife and I own National Aviation at St. Pete-Clearwater Int'l (PIE). National is one of the oldest flight schools in Florida, having been around since 1968, and one of the first Cessna Pilot Centers. We also own the FBO where National is located: Air-1 Aircraft, the newest FBO in the Tampa Bay area. Air-1 houses Challengers, Lear 60's, Citations, Saberliners, and is regularly visited by G-V's, Global's, Falcon's and other corporate aircraft.
We became a Part 141 school in Sept. 2001. Our Part 141 certificate includes Pvt., Inst., Comm. and Multi. We have had many, many students go through our program. Many stay with us after they earn their CFI; others have gone on to the Regionals and beyond.
We were able to help some of The Academy students, and we may be able to help the ATA students as well.
We don't offer "guaranteed" jobs, marketing hype, etc. You don't wear epaulets and cheap shirts and pants while training. We don't blast you through a program on a strict timetable. We do not make impossible, overhyped promises. You won't see expensive, slick magazine ads. You get what you pay for, and nothing less. And we have a sense of humor.
We DO promise you this: When you leave National Aviation, you will be a competant, safe, and confident pilot. You will have trained in well-maintained, newer Cessna, Piper Seminole, and AMD aircraft. After that, the future is up to you. But you WILL go to job interviews with the secure knowledge that your ability will be easily noticed by the interviewee.
If I can be of service to any of you, please contact David Cunningham, Director of Operations, or Tom Jamin, Chief Flight Instructor at 727-531-3545. Or e-mail: [email protected]. Our website is www.national-aviation.com.
It is sad to hear of these situations and the human tragedy they cause. We would like to do a little something to help.
Robert Cooper, President
National Aviation Holdings, Inc.
e-addy: [email protected]
A story told far too often.
My name is Robert Cooper. My wife and I own National Aviation at St. Pete-Clearwater Int'l (PIE). National is one of the oldest flight schools in Florida, having been around since 1968, and one of the first Cessna Pilot Centers. We also own the FBO where National is located: Air-1 Aircraft, the newest FBO in the Tampa Bay area. Air-1 houses Challengers, Lear 60's, Citations, Saberliners, and is regularly visited by G-V's, Global's, Falcon's and other corporate aircraft.
We became a Part 141 school in Sept. 2001. Our Part 141 certificate includes Pvt., Inst., Comm. and Multi. We have had many, many students go through our program. Many stay with us after they earn their CFI; others have gone on to the Regionals and beyond.
We were able to help some of The Academy students, and we may be able to help the ATA students as well.
We don't offer "guaranteed" jobs, marketing hype, etc. You don't wear epaulets and cheap shirts and pants while training. We don't blast you through a program on a strict timetable. We do not make impossible, overhyped promises. You won't see expensive, slick magazine ads. You get what you pay for, and nothing less. And we have a sense of humor.
We DO promise you this: When you leave National Aviation, you will be a competant, safe, and confident pilot. You will have trained in well-maintained, newer Cessna, Piper Seminole, and AMD aircraft. After that, the future is up to you. But you WILL go to job interviews with the secure knowledge that your ability will be easily noticed by the interviewee.
If I can be of service to any of you, please contact David Cunningham, Director of Operations, or Tom Jamin, Chief Flight Instructor at 727-531-3545. Or e-mail: [email protected]. Our website is www.national-aviation.com.
It is sad to hear of these situations and the human tragedy they cause. We would like to do a little something to help.
Robert Cooper, President
National Aviation Holdings, Inc.
e-addy: [email protected]
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