Air Tahoma crash news

[flyinyourShorts]

I haven't heard anything in the boards about this, so i'll post it here.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050303/BIZ01/503040330

The things I want you to bring away from it are this. The Captain saying...

"Yeah, we've got an inbalance (sic) on this (expletive) cross feed I left open," Pichelli responded."

And....

Air Tahoma president Noel Rude would not comment on the docket other than to say "we don't have any issue with anything in the report."

 

[Wang Chung]

More...

I found this article, too:

www.kypost.com/2005/03/04/crash030405.html

Seems like there wasn't a complete weight/balance done prior to takeoff. CA didn't have the most stellar training record, either.

On a lighter note, I like how Approach told them to keep their speed up twice, and the copilot says on the CVR "Keep your speed up? (Expletive) we're going 250 knots!"

 

[cargopod]

now N.R. wants to be proactive..

 

[Hung Start]

Sure seems like training has come full circle over the years. Used to be you had to memorize how much PSI was in the number 16 hyraulics at FL blah, blah and tire pressures to ad nausium.

Now, you don't even have to know how to get go juice to the engines.

Pretty sad, pretty sad.

 

[Nick5600]

Better be careful guys! NR is going to sue us and this board for posting this info! Funny since you have all recieved this letter that ATI is the front runner on cargo section!! Glad I got my upgrade somewhere out of the cargo industry! and... and once again please do not work for Air Tahoma. Don't put your self in that danger! IF your thinking about P.M. me I will do everything in my power to find a job somewhere else! I have been sucessful in at least 2 cases so far!

P.S. Anderea Cambern of the ABC 4 news in columbus now knows about this board and this company... more to follow soon I'm sure!

 

[JetsByJune]

it all leads back to the training or lack thereof...

 

[Augmenter_Tube]

How does the FAA just let this place continue? When my old Convair operator lost and airplane they shut us down! Are they paying the FAA, or what?

Any 14 CFR 121 operator that makes a Captain fly with a knowing doubt SHOULD be shut down. Isn't this one of the reasons the PRIA came to be? With the Captain failing so many checkrides, then giving him no OE and letting him fly, this company should be shut down and fined! What check airman sign the Captain off and let him fly when he was asking for more OE? Sounds like this place has the FAA on their payroll!

The surprising thing is the Captain in the incident was only given a 44709 ride? Now he is flying the line again, and aparently in a training and management position? What is wrong with this picture?

 

[FlyingHigh262]

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[JetsByJune]

Getting called worthless replaceable POS by interim D.O. ..... FREE

Living at the crew quarters/(rundown dillapitdated house with cockroaches and lice)..... FREE

Going through 2 weeks of ground school that shouldve actually taken at least 6...... FREE

Crashing a company airplane and getting promoted to D.O. ...... PRICELESS

 

[BTSOMT]

If this guy who was the PIC when Michael Gelwick was killed is truly still flying the line for Air Tahoma, how can the FAA not step in?

 

[Snakum]

I found this article, too: www.kypost.com/2005/03/04/crash030405.html

He failed a CV580 linecheck (retested), failed his ATP ride (retested), and failed an L1011 linecheck as an FO (resigned). Isn't that an inordinate number of failures for a professional pilot, or is that not unusual?

I was just kind of wondering ... is it common for a guy who has a history of failures to eventually consider that maybe this isn't really his line of work, or would most just keep struggling on?

I like to think that if I'd failed a few hi-level rides and/or checks I would wise up and find another career. Gravity is an unforgiving b#*$#% and my sons need their dad ... ego or not.

Minh

 

[BTSOMT]

Where there's smoke....

 

[JetsByJune]

Where there's smoke....

.... There's and AT airplane....

 

[flyinlow67]

This is going to keep happening until they can't get pilots, or buisness.
What if we boycott DHL, tell our friends to do the same, and then send a message to DHL letting them know that operators like this just aren't acceptable.

 

[Augmenter_Tube]

There is a reason for the Pilot's Record Improvement Act, people like this Captain. With him habitually failing checkrides, Air Tahoma should have seen the trend. After all of this Air Tahoma still rushes this guy through training and throws him out on the line!

Who was the Check Airman that signed this guy off? Is he still a Check Airman? How could you live with your concious when you allowed a person to fly the line, when they were begging for more training, then go and kill their F/O? Not only should that Captain not be allowed to fly, but the Check Airman should be stripped of his authority! Are there any more Check Airman at Air Tahoma, have they been investigated also? With an accident like that, I think all the checkrides should be required to be done with the FAA.

I also wonder if the FAA has investigated the training program at Air Tahoma? From what I hear they rush people through, and when they get to the line they are really behind the power curve. I have flown the 340 for years, and it is not an airplane you can just jump into!

 

[flyinyourShorts]

I was a check airman there, but when I left there were two. RW was the only all checks(on the 580 and 240), and JB was a line check airman on the 580. JZ was a check airman but he bailed not long after they got him requalified. Rumor is Bruno asked for more OE, but RW and the Rudes told him to "suck it up" because he wasn't going to get it. It has also been said Mike Gelwick was in the room when they told him that..... Now that's a disturbing thought.

RW should have been stripped of being a check airman(and chief pilot for that matter) a LONG time ago. I can remember getting new hires from him, who had been signed off from OE, that were NOT ready to be loose on the line. Not to mention these people had reduced OE time!! I even told RW one day, per the company training manual, you couldn't do that to new hires! But they always got away with that, as they got away with giving Bruno none. Now they see where it gets them.

Has anybody been able to find the entire transcripts of the crash yet?

 

[JetsByJune]

I believe in the ATI groundschool you are in it for two weeks but they write you off for 4 to six.

 

[BTSOMT]

If this captain asked for more IOE and was refused, who's more liable? Him or NR, BR and RW? AND how are he and RW still flying the line after a great man was killed?

 

[JetsByJune]

i hope NR is the most liable and goes to federal (pound you in the ass) prison. he would probably like that though.

 

[JetsByJune]

This is going to keep happening until they can't get pilots, or buisness.
What if we boycott DHL, tell our friends to do the same, and then send a message to DHL letting them know that operators like this just aren't acceptable.

This would be a very good idea