Aeroflot Recruiting Expats

[bafanguy]

FYI:

"JSC Aeroflot - Russian Airlines is recruiting pilots from all over the world to operate our new generation fleet B737, A320"


http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/4047.html

 

[mesaserf]

Best safety record in Russia... Whooo boy!

 

[fareview]

Kiev base?

fv

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I was waiting to see what kind of contract package they were going to come up with, a 16,000 euro contract package says a lot about what is going on out there...!

 

[johnsonrod]

Crimea River!

 

[bafanguy]

I was waiting to see what kind of contract package they were going to come up with...

The original ad from Aeroflot's website doesn't mention the requirement parameters usually seen in pilot ads. While it appears a type rating is required, what licenses are accepted, time in type, age limits, currency, etc., aren't listed. It's also not clear what seats they're recruiting. "?recruiting pilots?" isn't too specific:

http://www.aeroflot.ru/cms/en/about/set_of_pilots

I guess you'd need to see a lot more to know what the whole deal is ?

The situation has been percolating for some time:

Sokolov adds: "This will be in the interests of all our airlines and passengers because the current lack of domestically trained pilots effectively hinders the development of air services."

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...e-change-on-foreign-pilot-recruitment-393605/

 

[flyboyike]

According to the Russian-language version of their site, expats are only being recruited for PIC positions (at least expats are specifically mentioned for those positions, which they're not for F/O slots). No mention of currency and such on the Russian side either.

 

[Flyer1015]

Restrictions

* Must hold JAA/EASA Pilot Licence and Medical.
* Must hold EU Passport / Citizenship / Right to Live & Work in Europe.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/4046.html

No mention of any such restrictions on the jobs page????

 

[bafanguy]

http://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/4046.html

No mention of any such restrictions on the jobs page????

Yes, I saw that ad too. What I said previously was:

"The original ad from Aeroflot's website doesn't mention the requirement parameters usually seen in pilot ads. While it appears a type rating is required, what licenses are accepted, time in type, age limits, currency, etc., aren't listed."

[and they aren't...barring any future update of Aeroflot's own posting on their website]

I didn't see the JAA license and EU passport listed in any of the several ads that popped up for this job...and the ad appeared on several jobs websites. Can't say it surprises me...I just didn't see it when/where I looked.

 

[Flyer1015]

I got that from here, www.pilotcareercenter.com

http://www.pilotcareercenter.com/Pi...aptains/Airbus+A320/Aeroflot-Russian+Airlines


Kinda makes sense. I've never seen an expat job open to Americans that had the salary listed in Euros (10,000 Euros/month). Any expat job advert that accepts Americans usually has the salary listed in USD per month.

I do see your point, it's not on Aeroflot's webpage but IMO the sniff test says those are required.

 

[bafanguy]

Flyer1015,

Thanks. I see what you mean.

 

[flyboyike]

An update (unofficial, so take it FWIW):

It appears that Aeroflot and Transaero are looking primarily at Russian-Speaking (but not Russian-citizen) pilots from other ex-Soviet states (Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan etc). At least, that's the group they will look at first. The JAA/EASA stuff (again, according to my unofficial source) is NOT an absolute requirement, as they will be issuing a ROSAVIA license anyway.

 

[Pattern-Master]

Take a look at Russian dash cam on youtube, then make a uniformed decision.

 

[trip]

The American dream is in ....

 

[bafanguy]

The American dream is in ....

Well, if you're over there you won't have to select your next wife out of an online, mail-order bride catalog. You can pick her up in the bar after last call like you're s'posed to.

Just a thought...

 

[flyboyike]

Well, if you're over there you won't have to select your next wife out of an online, mail-order bride catalog. You can pick her up in the bar after last call like you're s'posed to.

Just a thought...

Pilot pay won't get you into the kind of bars where the decent goods hang out in Moscow.

 

[bafanguy]

Pilot pay won't get you into the kind of bars where the decent goods hang out in Moscow.

Well, that took a bit of the shine off the glamor ! :crying:

 

[OPECJet]

Strong mafia presence over there though. I'd bet the potential extra income is limitless.

 

[Wankel7]

Well, if you're over there you won't have to select your next wife out of an online, mail-order bride catalog. You can pick her up in the bar after last call like you're s'posed to.

Just a thought...

And you would save big on shipping !

 

[bafanguy]

And you would save big on shipping !

True. But just pick a skinny one and ship 'er COMAT. No cost:

http://www.acronymfinder.com/Compan...parts-not-manifested-as-freight)-(COMAT).html

Of course, when she gets over here, weight gain may be an issue...but you got her here at no cost.

 

[bafanguy]

Comments on expat pilot recruitment from Aeroflot CEO:

"Amendments to the country?s air code in July 2014, allowing foreign pilots to be hired by Russian airlines, have drawn an enthusiastic response from Aeroflot.

The carrier was given permission to hire up to 80 foreign pilots and Saveliev says the positions were so popular that 10 applicants applied for each one.

Aeroflot is now in the process of training these pilots, and eight are already flying.

The move to liberalise pilot recruitment was essential, says Saveliev, as Russian pilots are being lured to work abroad by the attractiveness of being paid in dollars and euros rather than roubles.

?We have a deficit of pilots,? he says. ?It?s a huge and crucial point for Russian companies, because Russian legislation allows our pilots to work abroad in Europe and Asia, and Russian pilots are very high quality and very popular abroad.

?We try to increase the salary, but Russia is Russia, it is not Europe ? we have a different situation, a different average salary.?


http://www.flightglobal.com/interviews/year/15/vitaly-saveliev/interview/

 

[flyboyike]

The "average salary" combined with a fairly (in some cases very) high cost of living makes SU not the most attractive of expat opportunities.

 

[bafanguy]

...SU not the most attractive of expat opportunities.

Yet the CEO said they got 10 applicants for each open position. Any idea if that 10-per is normal or below normal in the expat world ?

 

[flyboyike]

Yet the CEO said they got 10 applicants for each open position. Any idea if that 10-per is normal or below normal in the expat world ?

Hard to say. I suppose it would depend on who these 10-per are. Are they people with the sort of backgrounds where Aeroflot is one of only a few options or are they people who would be competitive elsewhere, but truly want to fly for Aeroflot?

 

[bafanguy]

Are they people with the sort of backgrounds where Aeroflot is one of only a few options or are they people who would be competitive elsewhere, but truly want to fly for Aeroflot?

ike,

That seems like the question.

Is Aeroflot considered a good place to work...or the employer of last resort as an airline, independent of the SU as a country ?

I know absolutely nothing about them.

 

[flyboyike]

ike,

That seems like the question.

Is Aeroflot considered a good place to work...or the employer of last resort as an airline, independent of the SU as a country ?

I know absolutely nothing about them.

Sorry, didn't see your question before. I suppose it's something in between. What speaks in their favor is that at least they survived all of the country's turmoil, managed to run a professional enough operation to join Skyteam, fly good equipment, and have enough government backing to where I don't think they'll go away. The few people I know there are "not unhappy". I can tell you that had Spirit not picked me up, I would have given them some very serious consideration. That being said, I don't think I'm a particularly telling case since I'm fluent in Russian and the very dream of flying for me started with Aeroflot.