AE flow thru's w/o AA number

[whippingboy]

What happens to them. I thought they were not able to flow but someone posted the opposite on another website. Anybody have info?

 

[Flyby1206]

Part of the flowthrough arbitration stated that 824 additional AE CAs who do not currently have #s will transfer to AA because of the wrong-doing of the whole flowthrough in the first place:

The affected Parties are directed to enter into a
preferential hiring agreement pursuant to which
American, at the time hiring resumes, will offer to
824 Eagle Captains, including Eagle Rights
Captains, one of every two new hire positions in a
new hire class in order of Eagle seniority, subject
to the following limitation. Eagle is to make every
attempt to release a sufficient number of pilots to
meet the aforesaid ratio. It will not, however, be
required to release more than 20 pilots per month
if doing so would, in its judgment, create severe
operational difficulties.
Should any of the present day Eagle Captains
decline the above offered pilot position
opportunity, an Eagle pilot who becomes a
Captain after the date of this Award, shall have
the right to elect said opportunity in seniority
order until such time as 824 pilot positions have
been filled by Eagle Captains pursuant to this
paragraph.
Jurisdiction will be retained in the event there
is any dispute regarding the interpretation or
application of this Award.

 

[whippingboy]

Thank you

 

[Uncle Bunkle]

You're forgetting about the first 75.

 

[Flyby1206]

You're forgetting about the first 75.

There are roughly 434 additional AE CAs who already have AA seniority numbers and will flow, or be given the opportunity to flow. But the original question was regarding pilots without numbers.

 

[whippingboy]

Part of the flowthrough arbitration stated that 824 additional AE CAs who do not currently have #s will transfer to AA because of the wrong-doing of the whole flowthrough in the first place:

Eagle Rights are included as well, that's surprising. Let me guess, the MEC was full of Eagle Rights pilots when this deal was done. Had their cake and ate it too, not bad.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Eagle Rights are included as well, that's surprising. Let me guess, the MEC was full of Eagle Rights pilots when this deal was done. Had their cake and ate it too, not bad.

So you're suggesting that Arbitrator Nicolau is part of some vast conspiracy? Because this is his arbitrated decision.

 

[whippingboy]

So you're suggesting that Arbitrator Nicolau is part of some vast conspiracy? Because this is his arbitrated decision.

Are you suggesting that both parties in arbitration do not make their case and give the arbitrator suggestions of what they feel and how the outcome should be?

The arbitrator made a decision based on the "facts" that each party presented to him. He also listened to what each party thought was a fair and equitable solution.

Knowing the defintion and what it meant when pilots chose Eagle Rights why should they be allowed to flow?

 

[DGdaPilot]

That's a question you should ask of Nicolau. It's not reason to post libel on the internet. One major affect that Nicolau had was that he took control of any and all Letter 3 issues. He was smart enough to see that this would go on forever and ever unless someone finally ended it. Part of him doing this was the effect it had when he created the 824 provision. As you well know, he took all Eagle Captains and subtracted out all pilots with AA seniority numbers. If you were in the remaining group (the 824) then you could take advantage of a newhire opportunity at AA. It's all very black and white if you read the award. Your suggestion of devious matters neglects to realize that the majority of the MEC is made up of Captains. Therefore Nicolau's 824 award applied to them whether they wanted it or not. What about the 1 or 2 FO's on the MEC? Where do they play into the conspiracy theory?

 

[Flyby1206]

Knowing the defintion and what it meant when pilots chose Eagle Rights why should they be allowed to flow?

If this arbitration is to "right the wrong" of the AE pilots not flowing over several years ago, then it is also righting the wrong for the Eagle Rights guys who planned on having the top several hundred AE CAs gone out of their way long ago. I think it is fair to give them a chance to flow in the future as a part of the arbitration., They wont get as good of a deal as if they had originally selected to flow, but they didnt get displaced when things went downhill either. It all works out in the end (i hope).

 

[stlflyguy]

Ahhhh.........nevermind.