ADIZ Instructors/pilots

[Midwest]

Any one else on here have to deal with it everyday?

Thoughts..........opinions..................bueller........

personally, I think it's a piece of cr@p.

 

[Midwest]

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I guess I'm the only one then

 

[Timebuilder]

As an instructor, I never had to deal with it. I have not been an active instructor for over a year.

As a pilot, I was flying a washington VIP out of Dulles last year, and ATC said I had a fighter one mile in trail. Frankly, it was good to know he was there.

I almost took an instructor job just outside of DC, a handful of miles from the beltway, in the spring of 2001. Am I glad I didn't? Yep.

What kind of experiences are you having?

 

[UALHammer]

I fly across the ADIZ off the CA coast on a regular basis.

We don't cross any published fix on the way out or in. We plug the ADIZ crossing Lat/Long and crossing times in the remarks section of a DVFR flight plan.

FSS issues us a squawk code when we activate the flight plan. We don't talk to Center, as we a generally at 100 feet and couldn't talk to them if we wanted to. If we go out higher, Center gives us a new code.

I've probably crossed the ADIZ 5 or 6 hundred times in the past 5 years and have had no problems. I schedule in the Warning areas if we're using them, although we can't talk to them due to the low altitude.

On flights to Hawaii, we cross at published fixes on the routes. Times are required in the flight plan for the published outbound fix/ADIZ point and the inbound published fix/ADIZ cross point into Hawaii.

I've done the same thing as above on VFR flights from Florida to the Bahamas and never had a problem...just file the DVFR and go. You've got to be pretty precise on the crossing times, though.

I have no idea about what is going on with the East Coast ADIZ's. They might be a whole different story.

I hope this helps.

 

[Midwest]

maybe I'm just venting.....

The ADIZ here has been somewhat of a pain. Some of our other instructors have been violated for stupid reasons, ie. taking off with the transponder on standby. Also, mainly on weekends but sometimes during the banks at Dulles, we want to come back into the ADIZ from the practice area and Potomac will make us sit and circle for 25+ minutes before giving us a code. Not to mention some of the controllers treating us like crap. My roomate read somewhere that there have been over 1000 violations since the ADIZ has been in effect. About 3 per day, which I think is pretty high. Sometimes I get frusterated dealing with it, other days I don't care. I just think the ADIZ is more to make the general public happy than to serve a national security purpose.

 

[Satan]

It's true, the part about the 3 violations per day, just talked to a BWI FSDO rep about it not too long ago. But you just gotta play the game right. The way I look at it, if you know how to deal with the ADIZ, Potomac, etc., any other airspace should be a piece of cake. I've never had to hold for more than 5 minutes to get in, but that was on the eastern and northern side of it (GOLDA and EMI), not near the Potomac.

 

[flyifrvfr]

Re: maybe I'm just venting.....

The ADIZ here has been somewhat of a pain. Some of our other instructors have been violated for stupid reasons, ie. taking off with the transponder on standby. Also, mainly on weekends but sometimes during the banks at Dulles, we want to come back into the ADIZ from the practice area and Potomac will make us sit and circle for 25+ minutes before giving us a code. Not to mention some of the controllers treating us like crap. My roomate read somewhere that there have been over 1000 violations since the ADIZ has been in effect. About 3 per day, which I think is pretty high. Sometimes I get frusterated dealing with it, other days I don't care. I just think the ADIZ is more to make the general public happy than to serve a national security purpose.

I never thought I would say this but Satan, where do you fly out of? I fly out of Martin State (KMTN)

 

[F16TJ]

Midwest...

Check out my post in the following thread:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?threadid=32690

"I just think the ADIZ is more to make the general public happy than to serve a national security purpose."

In case you have forgotten, 9/11 changed everything forever...there is a definite national security purpose for the ADIZ. I'm a military pilot, but I'm also a GA pilot and an AOPA member. The question can be asked "How many GA acft have been involved in terrorists acts?" None, really, there was the guy who flew his Cessna into the WH south lawn a few years ago. So, it may seem like GA is being unfairly targeted, but everybody flying in the ADIZ/FRZ is being affected. Military and law enforcement acft are getting violated, as well. And the airlines are paying a price for mis-identifying prior to entering the ADIZ and being diverted.

So, yeah, it may be a pain in the a$$, but it happened and we, as pilots, have to learn to deal with it. It's what sets pilots part from the rest of the population who are destined to live their lives looking up at us!

Out...

 

[Midwest]

Great post TJ! I just heard today about all the violations this past weekend. For some reason I was not all that surprized.

 

[dmspilot00]

The Washington ADIZ was instituted in February 2003, a year and a half since September 11, specifically because of the war in Iraq, and not because of 9/11.

When the government decreased the threat level to yellow, and the President declared an end to major fighting in Iraq, the ADIZ over New York and the TFR over Chicago were both eliminated.

 

[F16TJ]

dmspilot00...

I’m not exactly sure what you’re getting at with your post.

First, I never stated the ADIZ was put into effect immediately after 9/11…I said 9/11 changed everything…forever. Almost every other country in the world has restricted airspace around where their leader lives. It is a testament to how great our country is in that we didn’t have those kinds of restrictions to our flying prior to 9/11. However, now, in light of the fact that there are people out there trying to kill us, and our way of life, it makes logical sense to have a bubble of security around the POTUS and our Nations’ capital.

It’s a small price to pay and it beats not having any flying at all, which is what we’ll have if THEY win.

Out…

 

[Midwest]

The Washington ADIZ was instituted in February 2003, a year and a half since September 11, specifically because of the war in Iraq, and not because of 9/11.

When the government decreased the threat level to yellow, and the President declared an end to major fighting in Iraq, the ADIZ over New York and the TFR over Chicago were both eliminated.

And now the DC ADIZ is on the sectional and TAC, what's your point? Gonna have to agree with TJ.......

 

[dmspilot00]

My point is that the ADIZ doesn't have a point. Sure we want to protect the President, but he's not there half the time, and it's covering an area of rougly 3000 square miles.

 

[deadstick]

"I just think the ADIZ is more to make the general public happy than to serve a national security purpose."

Didn't the Five-sided Funny Farm just admit that the probability of a successful intercept was practically nil unless the CAP was on station 24/7? I was going to write a whole scenario that illustrates this point, but I don't want to give anybody ideas.

The point is the TFR/ADIZ is just window dressing for the uneducated lemmings below and hurts only those people trying not to break the rules. For those who plan an attack, it isn't a deterrent.