actual inst. time?

[epic!]

I have spoken to different pilots about this but never did get a solid answer.

I am working on my instrument. My CFII has been quite busy flying charter so I have been flying with a CFI. When using the CFI if I encounter actual instrument conditions, can i log it as such?

 

[SPilot]

Your CFI-only instructor cannot provide you with instruction in actual IFR conditions, and you are not rated for IFR conditions. I also believe flight time with a CFI does not count as "authorized instruction" towards the hour requirements for your instrument rating. He'd have to take the flight controls every time you're in IMC, and fly you trough it, and then continue the lesson once in VFR conditions again.

At least thats my understanding of it.

 

[BWatz]

A CFI can indeed give instruction in actual conditions....

 

[ackattacker]

You can log actual anytime you are piloting the airplane in actual instrument conditions. It doesn't matter who is in the right seat.

If it's a CFI then fine. If it's a CFII all the better. Either way it's the same. The only reason it would need to be a CFII is if you were counting the time towards the specific hourly instruction requirements of attaining the instrument rating.

CFI's can give instruction in IMC... just not towards the instrument rating. The reg is 61.195(c)

(c) Instrument Rating. A flight instructor who provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating or a type rating not limited to VFR must hold an instrument rating on his or her flight instructor certificate and pilot certificate that is appropriate to the category and class of aircraft in which instrument training is being provided.

 

[chitownflyer]

You are allowed to log actual IMC time regardless of the rating held by your CFI. You can also get instruction in instrument procedures from an non-II CFI.....BUT.....the regulations require you to have 15 hours of instruction by a CFI-I towards your instrument rating.

 

[ajhbubs84]

I have spoken to different pilots about this but never did get a solid answer.

I am working on my instrument. My CFII has been quite busy flying charter so I have been flying with a CFI. When using the CFI if I encounter actual instrument conditions, can i log it as such?

You do not hold an instrument rating, so when you encounter actual IMC, you may not log any PIC time. Just my two cents...

 

[ajhbubs84]

dam double posts

 

[nosehair]

You do not hold an instrument rating, so when you encounter actual IMC, you may not log any PIC time. Just my two cents...

The regulation, 61.51(e)(1)(i) says any pilot (except student pilot) may log PIC time any time he/she is sole manipulator of the controls.

You don't have to BE the PIC to LOG PIC. To me, that's crazy, but that is the reg.

 

[midlifeflyer]

You do not hold an instrument rating, so when you encounter actual IMC, you may not log any PIC time. Just my two cents...

Save your money. The words of the FAR 61.51 (the universal rule of logging time) as interpreted by the FAA lawyers consistently over the past 25 years have had this FAQ answered for a long time.

 

[white knuckle]

I have wondered about this as well. Are people advising that a pilot without an instrument rating that is receiving dual in IMC may log PIC for that time which is actual? This is an interesting question and I have received yea and nay answers depending on who you ask.

I've had some people tell me that you can't log PIC on an instrument flight plan if you don't have an instrument rating no matter if it is visual, simulated, or actual (receiving dual).

Thanks for everyones input.