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Associated Press
Atlantic Coast Severs Ties With United
Monday July 28, 8:43 pm ET
By Matthew Barakat, AP Business Writer
Atlantic Coast Airlines Severs Ties With United, Will Fly As Independent, Low-Cost Carrier


CHANTILLY, Va. (AP) -- The second-largest carrier at Dulles International Airport is severing its ties to United Airlines and announced Monday that it will fly as an independent, low-cost carrier.
Atlantic Coast Airlines says its fares will be 30 to 40 percent lower on average than travelers paid for the same flights when operated under the United Express banner.

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Atlantic Coast's partnership with United began to fray when United filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last year. United sought to renegotiate a cheaper contract with Atlantic Coast, but the two airlines could not come to terms.

But Atlantic Coast President Kerry Skeen said his airline had been considering such a move even before United filed for bankruptcy.

"This is not just a knee-jerk, desperation thing on our part," Skeen said. "We hoped we would get a deal with United ... but we felt we had an attractive alternative" if a deal could not be reached.

Skeen said the company will honor its contract with United until it is officially canceled by the bankruptcy court or until United emerges from bankruptcy. It is not clear exactly when the airline will implement its new plan, but Skeen said the airline has set April as a rough target. He said it is in the interest of both United and Atlantic Coast to have a smooth transition.

Wall Street reacted negatively; shares of parent company Atlantic Coast Airlines Holdings Inc. plunged $2.53, or nearly 24 percent, to close at $8.09 on the Nasdaq Stock Market.

Airline analyst Alexander Brand with BB&T Capital Markets, said Atlantic Coast's decision raises significant risks for investors in the near term.

"There's no way to know when it will produce a profit ... and the market just doesn't like uncertainty," Brand said.

Still, he said there is an opportunity for a carrier like Atlantic Coast to exploit an underserved market in small and mid-size cities that historically have had to pay higher fares.

Atlantic Coast will begin operations with 87 50-seat regional jets, and plans to add 15-25 mainline jets to expand its offerings, Skeen said.

Skeen said the airline sees a particularly strong opportunity in the Washington-Baltimore market, the fifth-largest in the nation. However, the company will be going up against low-fare leader Southwest Airlines, which is the largest carrier at Baltimore-Washington International Airport.

Atlantic Coast carries about 20 percent of the 15 million annual passengers at Dulles, according to the most recent statistics from the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, which operates Dulles and Reagan National Airports. Only United carries more passengers. Atlantic Coast would have the most departures of any airline at any of the three Washington-area airports.

James Bennett, president of the airports authority, said he expects United to remain as a hub at Dulles; some have speculated that United would drop Dulles as a hub as part of its bankruptcy reorganization.

In a statement Monday, United said it was "surprised" by the airline's announcement and believed "talks were moving in a positive direction." United officials said they had a contingency plan for the flights Atlantic Coast handles, but did not elaborate.

Atlantic Coast will continue its operations as a Delta Connection carrier
 
ACA management will tell their employees that they will have to take HUGE pay cuts to help this venture get up and running. I hope they don't turn into the next "Midway Airlines" based in RDU with RJ's and mainline jets like F100's and 737-700's.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool: :rolleyes:
 
didnt midway went bank$$$$$

Yes midway flew RJ, F100 and 737

but now they only have few 737 left after financial mess!

I did ACA has better history and example lots of people travels to DC area with them. (hourly shuttle flights)
 
GL

General Lee,

Why do you have to be so negative all the time. Every time I see your name I think, Now what is your problem?
 
General Lee said:
ACA management will tell their employees that they will have to take HUGE pay cuts to help this venture get up and running. I hope they don't turn into the next "Midway Airlines" based in RDU with RJ's and mainline jets like F100's and 737-700's.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool: :rolleyes:

Once again General Lee thanks for your support. Perhaps we should have announced a new 'high fare airline with all 1st class 1 by 1 seating in beautiful Canadair regional jets. Plane's will seat 24 people with 5 FA. Full course meals on all flights while you enjoy all the on board service. Feature flights of Charelston WV to IAD. Standard fare $2000 round trip.'

Yeah thats a much better route to go than A. sinking ship UAL or B. low cost .
 
Tooslow,

Now wait one second, I have many friends over there and I don't want anything bad to happen to them. When I see something questionable, I question it. I think ACA is taking a drastic turn. Yes, it nice to get bigger planes---and growth is great. But, when you have to start out on your own with new marketing, new paint schemes, have to buy ticket counter space(no more United ticket counters), hire ground people--at stations other than IAD, park J41s, buy new airplanes---even with low lease rates it will take some $$$$, train everybody, etc---it makes me nervous. Most people have never heard of ACA---only United Express. There is no brand recognition at all. Yes, I want you to do well----and I thought United was being an A$$ for trying to take you for cheap, but it is a big risk. We have a similar situation, SONG, but the only thing different about this brand name is its marketing, new management team, and paint schemes (for planes and gate area). Everything else is already provided for---crews, training, gas contracts, insurance, code shares, etc. Not as risky as going at it alone. I do wish you luck and I hope it succeeds.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool: :rolleyes: ;)
 
General Lee said:
Tooslow,

Now wait one second, I have many friends over there and I don't want anything bad to happen to them. When I see something questionable, I question it. I think ACA is taking a drastic turn. Yes, it nice to get bigger planes---and growth is great. But, when you have to start out on your own with new marketing, new paint schemes, have to buy ticket counter space(no more United ticket counters), hire ground people--at stations other than IAD, park J41s, buy new airplanes---even with low lease rates it will take some $$$$, train everybody, etc---it makes me nervous. Most people have never heard of ACA---only United Express. There is no brand recognition at all. Yes, I want you to do well----and I thought United was being an A$$ for trying to take you for cheap, but it is a big risk. We have a similar situation, SONG, but the only thing different about this brand name is its marketing, new management team, and paint schemes (for planes and gate area). Everything else is already provided for---crews, training, gas contracts, insurance, code shares, etc. Not as risky as going at it alone. I do wish you luck and I hope it succeeds.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool: :rolleyes: ;)

General, just a few points:

Ticket counter space at IAD should not be a problem. It will cost money, but I don't think it will cost an arm and a leg. Gate space at IAD is a non-issue.

While I have not seen a route structure, I would guess that many cities served will be ones that ACA already has the leases to ticket windows/gates/grnd equip and employees set up already. Remember UAL gave up a ton when they gave us control over many of the established UAL stations. (JAX, SYR, BNA, etc)

I can't speak about fuel contracts, but fuel is listed on the earnings report, so I'd guess ACA already has them. Same for crews, insurance, training.

You are correct about code-shares, the conference call adressed that issue. ACA is looking into them.

So like SONG, the new ACA's biggest costs will be marketing and new paint schemes for the planes and gate areas. Before you bring up reservations, I believe they already have a contract in place with the company that AirTran uses.

I am not saying this is not risky, in fact ACA management admits that there is some risk involved. We are in for a wild ride. I just don't think it is as difficult as you make it sound.
 
I know you own everything at IAD. Now, at the other cities you might have to get new ticket counter space etc. which may turn out to be expensive. Don't get me wrong, I hope you DO succeed, but I am saying it may be tough. I hope your management team has a solid plan---and unfortunately I see pay cuts to fund that plan in your future. I hope it goes well.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool:
 
General Lee said:
I know you own everything at IAD. Now, at the other cities you might have to get new ticket counter space etc. which may turn out to be expensive. Don't get me wrong, I hope you DO succeed, but I am saying it may be tough. I hope your management team has a solid plan---and unfortunately I see pay cuts to fund that plan in your future. I hope it goes well.

Bye Bye--General Lee:cool:

While I do not have 1st hand knowledge, I am fairly certain about the outstation gates. ACA holds the leases for gates/ticket windows at many outstations. When UAL started dumping stations during the cost cutting phase, they gave many more stations to ACA. (JAX, RDU, MEM, SYR, BNA, etc) I believe they dumped the leases as well as the stations. I really think the largest expense will be marketing/advertising. Kerry Skeen said that will be a substantial portion of initial costs. After listening to today's earnings conference call, our cash outlook is bright. They are forecasting to have $260 mill in unrestrected cash and short term investments when they start the new airline. That is quite a bit more than JetBlue started with.
 
Carl_Everett said:
While I do not have 1st hand knowledge, I am fairly certain about the outstation gates. ACA holds the leases for gates/ticket windows at many outstations. When UAL started dumping stations during the cost cutting phase, they gave many more stations to ACA. (JAX, RDU, MEM, SYR, BNA, etc) I believe they dumped the leases as well as the stations.


I agree.

And you can add MBS to that list of outstations that ACA owns. We have a very big market with the Dow Chemical Co. up here.
 
"Nobody knows who ACA is."

That's true. But we will be changing our name and 60-days prior to the launch of service will have a marketing blitz. Our marketing budget, according to the webcast, will be larger than both Air Trans and Jet Blue's.
 

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