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AA MD-80 incident @ JFK yesterday

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What's the thought process... ???

Emergency landing...

No nose landing gear...

Sparks flying...

Wait for airstairs...

Why not an emergency evacuation using slides???

I know my question appears to be second-guessing the decision(s) made by the PIC, and that(those) decision(s) obviously resulted ultimately in the safe evacuation of all crew and PAX, but...

I don't believe I would have been comfortable sitting there waiting for stairs to arrive or flames to erupt, betting on the stairs to beat the flames. I don't think I would have elected to do the same thing. What have I missed? :confused:
 
Yea, I could see it now...the captain having to run in the back and grab some old grandma by the big fat wrinkle on the back of the neck and a hand full of big fat ass and chucking her out the door, so that everybody else could take a gander at breaking limbs and ankles on the emergency slide behind her.
 
Good questions. But, looks like all kinds of emergency equipment standing by with foam on the ground and the plane appears to be in good shape.

Every time the people are unloaded with the slides, someone breaks their leg or back. Seems like a good call from my humble, remote point of view.
 
Any evac using the slides involves lots of injuries, especially if the slides aren't in the correct position. With the nose down and tail up in the air, using the slides in an emergency evac would have been a total C@%&&# F$&#. If CFR told the crew they didn't see any smoke or fire, the best thing to do would be to use the most appropriate exit.

I sure am glad for ATA's sake this took the heat off of this non-incident:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20030903/lo_wrtv/1770903

Normally we'd need to kill somebody to get any iink, but for some reason this was all over the news last night. It scared the crap out of my wife, since I was enroute to BOS when it happened. Typically, though several news reports had it occurring to AIRTRAN. Sometimes it's nice to have them screw up.
 
This puzzles me because people with your kind of experience don't make the assumptions and mistakes you are making in your post.

No need to be puzzled -- I make mistakes all the time. :)

I really was not trying to pass judgment on the PIC -- I was asking an honest question. The factors you've mentioned didn't weigh as heavily in the thought process I used.

Number one rule... when you evacuate an airplane using slides... people WILL get hurt.

I considered that there would be a risk of passenger injury, but did NOT consider it to be an absolute given. I also considered that an orderly evacuation using the L2 and R2 slides might have been more expeditious than waiting for stairs, and wouldn't necessarily involve the obvious panic of a more dire situation, i.e., actual fire.


Where was the fire?

I don't believe there was a fire. You cannot deny, however, the potential for a fire. My concern was the POTENTIAL for a fire. What if (I hate "what-if-ing", yet here I go) a fire had erupted near the nose while I was waiting for the stairs. THEN, I would have had no choice but to direct an emergency evacuation without the L1 and R1 slides (due to the proximity of the supposed fire) complete WITH the panic and PROBABLE injury to pax. Then I might be kicking myself for wasting those precious seconds doing nothing while waiting for the stairs to arrive. Besides, who knows -- maybe the PIC WASN'T "doing nothing." Perhaps he was lining the pax up in the aisle so they'd be ready to use the aft slides if they needed to. Maybe he was movong them all to the back to shift the CG and lift the nose off the ground so they could use the aft stairs. :) :) [Editor's Note: That was supposed to be funny.]

Many people have been seriously injured or killed due to evacuating an aircraft because of a "lightbulb"... ie a faulty indication. Granted this wasn't the case here, but importatnt to point out nontheless.

You're exactly right. It was obviously more serious than a lightbulb. And I guess it boils down to a judgment of how serious the threat of fire was. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to use a slide. But then again, I don't carry PAX, so I suppose I see things in a different light.

Once again -- I wasn't intending to second-guess the PIC. I sought, and continue to seek, a higher degree of understanding. I appreciate your patience, and I appreciate your enlightenment.
 
I just got out of the bathroom after a very satisfying evac.

It could not have been avioded and I'm glad to report no one was hurt.
 
Tow-bar trouble?

NTSB Preliminary Report AA1048

Excerpt below:

<<Ground personnel who participated in the pushback of the airplane from the gate, prior to departure from DFW, reported that the tow bar became disconnected while the airplane was being towed. According to the tow operator:

"...I put the push out tractor in reverse and started towing the airplane backwards. I was looking behind the push out tractor as I was towing the plane. I felt the tractor slip. I wasn't sure what happened, when I turned around and looked at the airplane, I saw the bar had come loose. I informed the captain of the bar breaking loose and told him to park his brakes. I then told my wing walker to get another tow bar. I told the captain we were getting another tow bar and the captain said if everything was OK, he would leave from the spot that they were at. I told [the captain] it looked OK to me...."

The airplane subsequently taxied for takeoff, and departed without incident.

Examination of tow bars used on the MD-82 at JFK, revealed that the distance between the forks measured approximately 30 inches. The tow bars examined at JFK were painted red; however, according to American Airlines, the tow bar used to tow the airplane at DFW was painted yellow.>>
 

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