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[Jmmccutc]

how often is this reg broken in real life? like say the guy has no visual but he ducks below DH on the ILS, pick up lights continues, get the threshold, and lands...

i'm just curious as to how many people really treat that as the "hard deck" so to speak...

 

[barn stormer]

three words...in-flight-visibility

 

[avbug]

What exactly are you asking, Jmmccutc? Minimums are minimums. Decision altitude is that altitude upon which a decision is made, not a "hard deck." Frequently one may descend below DA during a precision approach if the required visual references are not in sight. However, without the references in sight, one had better be going missed. I do.

For a non-precision approach, the MDA is a hard deck, and I treat it as such. Certainly there are those who will be foolish enough to disregard instrument minimums, but I certainly don't associate with any such person.

 

[cvsfly]

how often is this reg broken in real life? like say the guy has no visual but he ducks below DH on the ILS, pick up lights continues, get the threshold, and lands...

i'm just curious as to how many people really treat that as the "hard deck" so to speak...

Professionals do. Those who want to make a living at it do. Those who want to live a long time do.

 

[Jmmccutc]

sorry guys didn't want to sound like a jack @$$...i just know a flight instructor that does this frequently, and i think it's stupid, he told me that i'd better get used to skirting mins to get a job and i think he's a d!ck...thanks...avbug, i apprecitate the advice thanks...

 

[350DRIVER]

sorry guys didn't want to sound like a jack @$$...i just know a flight instructor that does this frequently, and i think it's stupid, he told me that i'd better get used to skirting mins to get a job and i think he's a d!ck...thanks...avbug, i apprecitate the advice thanks...

I have known of a few who also (did) this frequently and they are no longer around with us present day to be able to talk about "why'' they would do this. One that I remember very clearly was a friend going into OUN on the loc approach in a C421 that bit the bullet. Minimums are minimums and they are not negotiable, common sense can go a long way in this business.

Most of your 121 and 135 qualified pilots won't "play" any games and there is no room to bargain here. Compare the safety records of these carriers/operators to the 91 owner/operators...

You are most vulnerable at the least expecting times, don't make history by taking chances in this "game''...


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[Stifler's Mom]

I treat it with respect, especially since I am usually only 200' above the ground. No sense in dipping lower in hopes of finding the runway and then getting yourself in deeper.

 

[80/20]

an old instructor once said: ”... the most important thing a pilot can learn is to know when to say no and some never do..”

 

[Jmmccutc]

an old instructor once said: ”... the most important thing a pilot can learn is to know when to say no and some never do..”

well put...

 

[standaman]

Purposely breaking FAR's is a problem. Respect the minimums. Divert to an alternate. It's not worth it. Don't kill yourself. Most definitely don't do it with people other than yourself on the plane. Come back and see your family and friends. Don't see yourself on the news.