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[font=Arial, Helvetica, Sans-serif]Tuesday, May 24, 2005, 12:00 a.m. Pacific[/font]

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Boeing confirms launch of 777 freighter

By Dominic Gates
Seattle Times aerospace reporter

Boeing today formally launched the freighter version of its 777 wide-body jet.

The jet maker has been offering the Everett-built airplane — the ultra-long-range 777-200LRF — to customers since November. The launch means interest is high enough to give the green light to build it.

Boeing already has announced two customers for the jet. Last month Air Canada ordered two, and last week Air France announced an order for five, with options for three more.

A person familiar with the details said other airlines have signed preliminary agreements that would bring the total number of commitments to about 50 airplanes.

Those who have signed, the person said, include Atlas Air, an air-freighter leasing company based in New York; Emirates, the massive carrier out of Dubai; and Eva Airways of Taiwan, a carrier owned by the Evergreen Group shipping company.

"It will be a successful program," predicted Robert Dahl, project director with Seattle-based consultancy Air Cargo Management Group. He forecasts a market for about 130 of these jets over the next 20 years.

Earlier this month, Dahl's company listed Cargolux, Etihad, Lufthansa and Singapore Airlines as other carriers interested in the new freighter.

The 777-200LRF is based on the long-range passenger version of the jet, with a 10-foot-high side cargo door added and the floor strengthened to support the cargo.

The passenger version made its first flight in March and is undergoing flight tests and certification. It should enter service in 2006.

The freighter version will carry 101 metric tons of cargo a distance of 5,200 nautical miles.

In comparison, the popular freighter version of Boeing's jumbo jet, the 747-400, can carry 113 metric tons over 4,450 miles.

The 777 will offer twin-engine efficiency and lower fuel consumption than the jumbo jet, and could be the preferred choice on some long-range routes with smaller cargo needs.

The new airplane will have a similar capacity to the MD-11 freighter.

Both FedEx and United Parcel Service, the major express air freight companies, are committed in the next few years to expanding their MD-11 fleets by converting old passenger jets, Dahl said.

Roughly 160 MD-11s worldwide are slated for such conversions.

Once those are done, there'll be few jets of that size available, and the 777 freighter market should grow.

The air-cargo business worldwide is booming, especially traffic to and from Asia, a region that includes some of Boeing's best customers for the 777 jetliner and therefore prime candidates for the new plane.

Air Cargo Management Group's market forecast is based on an assumption that Boeing also will soon launch the new derivative of its jumbo, the 747 Advanced, and that this too will have a freighter version later.

If Boeing failed to launch that airplane — which would be a surprise — the market for the 777 freighter would be even bigger.

The freighter will have a list price similar to the passenger version, which sells for between $202 million and $226 million.

Dominic Gates: 206-464-2963 or [email protected]. The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 
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TonyC said:
No mention of the A380...



... interesting.

The 380 will go to the Polor side of the house. All 747-200 F/O's will be sent to the F/E pannel on the 380.
 
Sounds like good times for the Atlas/Polar crowd.

Hoping to hear from one of my friends soon that they're a 777 cap'n. :)
 
TonyC said:
LOL


F/E on the 380! :)



LOL



.

Well someone has to watch the buttons while the front seat guys are fl----wait, you said Airbus, right?
 
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xrated said:
The 380 will go to the Polor side of the house. All 747-200 F/O's will be sent to the F/E pannel on the 380.

Polar only flies the Whale......Not the Humpty Dumpty Jumbo. :D

Natrone Means Business!!!!
 
TonyC said:
No mention of the A380...



... interesting.

Why would an article from the Seattle Times about the launch of the Boeing 777 Freighter even mention the A380? Has nothing to do with the article.
 
furloughfodder said:
Why would an article from the Seattle Times about the launch of the Boeing 777 Freighter even mention the A380? Has nothing to do with the article.
For the very same reason it discussed the MD-11 freighter - - it's competition.
 
However, Atlas rumor board says the story is not true. As of right now, no firm plans for a 777 type addition to the fleet.
 
V1andgo said:
However, Atlas rumor board says the story is not true. As of right now, no firm plans for a 777 type addition to the fleet.

Given that Atlas and Polar continue to use the Classics, I find it difficult to justify the capital cost (or financing cost) of the 777F when so many cheap 747-100/200s can be found. As long as the maintenance and operational costs of the 747 Classic do not exceed the incremental financing cost of the 777F, I think the 747 will continue to be used and maybe even added...
 
The 200s aren't cheap. They're in demand now, although you can only sell them for about $1500 an hour cheaper than a 400. 400s are about 15% more efficient on the fuel and carry about 20 tonne more if you can gross it out. 400s are really tough to find and expensive when you do.
 
What would a new 777F cost? How about a converted pax 777? Atlas and Polar have extensive experience with the 100/200 and learning the ropes with a new aircraft type is never easy - that could be costly too.

How much more cargo capacity does a 200 offer over a 777F? Just a couple of factors to consider...
 
For many of the reasons above I would be really surprised to see a 777 anytime soon. Maybe 5-10 years from now. But what do I know?

I'm also curious as to how much cargo a 777 converted could carry...
 
I read an article once

So the other day I read an article about Air France gettin' the 777.

They claim it carries *almost* as much as the -400, has the same range, but will save, get this, 20 thousand metric tons of fuel per airplane, per year.

Not to mention just two engines (lower inventory) instead of four....

...and the other reason why I think Atlas is interested in the 777: It's written into the contract that smaller airplanes pay less.
 
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Mar....you are correct...

Boeing Launches New 777 Freighter
--Air France orders five 777 Freighters with options for three more
--777 Freighter to deliver unmatched twinjet capability to growing cargo market



SEATTLE, May 24, 2005 – Boeing [NYSE:BA] today officially launched the Boeing 777 Freighter, the world's largest and most capable twin-engine freighter, following the completion of a launch order from Air France.​

Air France ordered five 777 Freighters, with options for three additional airplanes, to replace its 747-200F fleet. The first 777 Freighter is scheduled for delivery to Air France in the fourth quarter of 2008.

"The acquisition of the Boeing 777F will enable us to take advantage of the 'family effects' and technical uniformity found in the 777-200ER and the -300ER fleet which has already proved its capacity for on-time performance and fuel-saving," said Jean-Cyril Spinetta, chairman and chief executive officer of Air France. "This aircraft will considerably increase flown tonne revenues and will therefore heighten the profitability of our cargo division."

Air Canada also announced in April the inclusion of the 777 Freighter as part of its selection of 777s and 787s to renew its long-haul fleet. Upon completion of that agreement, Air Canada will join the 777 Freighter launch team.

"The world wants the 777 Freighter and we're going to build it," said Alan Mulally, president and chief executive officer of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "Air cargo is the fastest-growing segment of commercial aviation and a critical enabler in our global economy. The 777 Freighter will deliver tremendous value to owners and operators, and we are delighted to have Air France and Air Canada leading our launch team."

Launch of the new freighter brings Boeing's 777 family to six models. Working with cargo operators worldwide, Boeing selected the 777-200LR Worldliner as the platform for the 777 Freighter because it offers the range and payload capability operators want. The first 777-200LR Worldliner will enter passenger service in January 2006.

The 777 Freighter will be capable of flying 4,965 nautical miles (9,195 kilometers) with a full payload and market-preferred cargo load density, making it the world's longest-range freighter. With the lowest trip cost of any large freighter and excellent ton-mile economics, the 777 Freighter will build on the 777 family's demonstrated success in delivering lower fuel consumption, maintenance costs, and operating costs than other airplanes in its class.

The new airplane will feature capacity never seen before on a twin-engine freighter. With a maximum takeoff weight of 766,000 pounds (347,450 kilograms), the 777 Freighter will have a revenue payload capability of 229,000 pounds (103 metric tons).

The 777 Freighter will be powered exclusively by the world's most powerful commercial jet engine, General Electric's GE90-110B1L. The 777 Freighter will meet QC2 noise standards for maximum accessibility to noise-sensitive airports.

The 777 Freighter complements the Boeing 747-400 Freighter family, which is the air-cargo industry's standard. Both the 777 and 747 Freighters accommodate 10-foot-high (3.1 meter) pallets, providing operators with maximum flexibility.

The Boeing 747 Freighter family currently constitutes more than half of the world's total freighter capacity. Boeing freighters of all models comprise more than 90 percent of the total worldwide freighter lift. Boeing forecasts that large widebody freighters (65 metric tons and above in capacity) will comprise 31 percent of the market by 2023.
 
carry about 20 tonne more if you can gross it out.


Huh...?
The -400 can carry 287,000 lbs pf cargo?

(-200 max payload 243,000, + 20 tons = 287,000)

Ya sure of that?
 

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