737 pay at mesa

[big dog1]

This so-called offer was whispered to AH from ML and was asked to brief the MEC to see what they thought, this took place yesturday. The threat was implicated that we take it or leave it and the company feels the 20% override is comparable to industry average-from what industry, we have no idea.

The offer is as follows
20% overide from 900 pay and only when that aircraft is flown, i.e. not payed for reserve.

FO rates remain the same and NO FO to FO transfer i.e. FO's come frome street.

A 2 year extension of the current contract

YOUR union’s position on this is VERY clear, we do not consider an offer to be on the table because the company refuses to put it in writing and propose these things to the proper people (your negotiating committee). Even if the offer was on the table its not even close to what we and you would ever agree to, I'm afraid the company will just have to make planes to sell Freedom and try to find someone else to fly them for 60% below industry average - to include SouthWest, sorry no dice!

I will run through a full brief later on tonight, currently I'm in the PIT airport and the wireless is in and out. I will post on a new thread with ALL the details later tonight.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Well you got your scope on the last contract so tell J.O. to screw himself. They are just dangling the carrot to get a 2 year extension.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

...fly them for 60% below industry average - to include SouthWest, sorry no dice

SWA = above industry avg.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

You can read in detail on mesalounge.com, but the bottom line is this... No one in their right mind would support this kind of rediculous crap. People out there need not worry, because we're not going to look like suckers this time.... The opinions of the MAG pilot group is clear on operating 737s: industry average or no dice... 10% below industry average plus improved workrules? well, that would be a good starting point for negociations.

IMHO, the reason our management group won't officially present an offer in writing to our MEC is because their threat "take it or we sell the freedumb ticket and all chances of flying 737s" holds absolutely NO water whatsoever.. Frankly we don't give a rat's rip about the equipment. "F" 'em... Sell that tattered old piece of worthless paper.... No one wants it around here anyhow...

The next thing we're gonna hear from johnny o is that we can't survive without USAirways without our "737 PIT $hitty payrate whoreing a$$bag contingincy plan" The way I see it, Let us die JO... He'll never do it anyway... He has too many motorcycles to fuel....

Sorry folks you won't be flying on any Mesa 737s anytime soon.

 

[English]

Just so you know what industry average is.....


http://webpages.charter.net/ata/Pay Comparison.htm


Courtesy of tz800ca.

 

[Otto Coarsen]

Like you really speak for the entire Mesa pilot group. You are a new hire street captain, you have no idea what the Mesa lifers will do. I'll bet they are all cumming in their shorts at a chance to fly a 737 at any price. You WILL see Mesa with 737s.

FALSE.......

As I said read the opinions posted on mesalounge.... you will see..

As for Mesa Lifers, I think they have (or at least should have) the most vested interest in obtaining fair and reasonable compensation.

Despite your narrowminded view of them, Mesa pilots on the line are far more fed up with Mesa's issues than you and other outsiders who are so interested in our issues..

And yes I am a recently (6 months ago) hired street captain. Why would this make my opinion different and better yet why would this blind me from seeing the positions of other Mesa pilots? I get shat on by JO as much as everyone else here.

It's amazing how as a Mesa Pilot, I express "for the good of the industry" concern for happenings at our company, yet you (citationman) STILL attempt to condemn what I say... I guess I can't win... Personally I couldn't care less what some 91 business jet driver thinks about my opinions... Your mindless banter is nothing more than fodder to incite other ignorant mesabashers into bashing individuals instead of concepts...

 

[YEAGER1]

I think that I speak for the whole mesa pilot group ( execpt the fredumb fags ) that We are extremly dissapointed over what happened last time with the current contract. That we are going to get the pay that we deserve to fly these airplanes. We have nothing in our way this time.

 

[AnimalTale]

A question for Mesa pilot's,

If the Mesa MEC and Pilot group do not agree with the proposed managemet rates for the 737s, do u think the Management will start up another outfit like FREEDOM?

or do you have a new clause in the contract that prohibits ORNSTEIN to whipsaw or threaten your pilot group with a new airline, like Freedom?

Just curious and thanks in advance

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Mesa pilot group will not fly for these rates. To be honest, Mesa will not fly these planes at all. JO will find some way to spin it off and the worst part is he will have no problem finding pilots off the street to fly them.

 

[English]

What would be the hourly rate with the 20% override to the -900 rates?

Or, what is the -900 rate, and I can do the math myself.

 

[English]

What is the -900 rate?

 

[YEAGER1]

Around 90 and hour

 

[English]

Accordin to the info compiled by tz800ca in the link above, Mesa would have to pay capts year 6 164.54 and FOs 107.74 to make the pay rates for the 737 "industry average".

 

[crashpad]

....and the worst part is he will have no problem finding pilots off the street to fly them.

That's a realistic fear, but since it was tried and failed with Freedom and Desert Sun (early nineties Mesa spin-off), I doubt he'll go that route.

The key to JOs' success will lay in how he presents it to the pilot group. The method used successfully against Air Wisconsin pilots was to offer 'this or else', but that won't fly at Mesa because the pilots can't be bluffed into thinking their companys' in trouble.
Instead, JO will devise a proposal that appeals only to the vast minority (40-45%) and know there will be 10-12% who will vote 'yes' beyond that. It's the smart move and he's no stranger to this game. JOs' like a poker player who knows the majority are learning how to play blackjack; "Hit me, oh crap I lost that hand, but won't make that mistake again".

Now, think of your position in 5 years when it comes time to vote in a new contract. You've already established a foothold on the big jets within the company and you have leverage to negotiate.

 

[CitationLover]

A question for Mesa pilot's,

or do you have a new clause in the contract that prohibits ORNSTEIN to whipsaw or threaten your pilot group with a new airline, like Freedom?

Just curious and thanks in advance

there is non whipsaw language in the contract, but when has a contract stopped them before...

 

[islandhopper]

Also, you may find http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/ quite interesting. They started putting in retirement info now too. Real good stuff.

Just so you know what industry average is.....


http://webpages.charter.net/ata/Pay Comparison.htm


Courtesy of tz800ca.

 

[islandhopper]

Even if they took Delta out of the equation it would still be about $155 for CA's and near $100/hr for the senior FO's. So, English, did you get juniored into the 700 yet?

Accordin to the info compiled by tz800ca in the link above, Mesa would have to pay capts year 6 164.54 and FOs 107.74 to make the pay rates for the 737 "industry average".

 

[storminpilot]

The key to JOs' success will lay in how he presents it to the pilot group. The method used successfully against Air Wisconsin pilots was to offer 'this or else', but that won't fly at Mesa because the pilots can't be bluffed into thinking their companys' in trouble.

Isn't Mesa looking at B737s since they are 'concerned' over the state of their mainline partners?

United - still in bankruptcy and still loosing money
USAirways - appears headed to bankruptcy again and still loosing money
America West - The strongest, but in a nasty fare ware in the transcons.

Maybe the people at Independence Air are the ones who have it right. Control your own destiny!

Also, I have said it before, airline employees are no longer at war with management, but rather the consumer. 'Cause if the airlines could charge more they would. Today's fare levels are insane and unsustainable for most wage levels that we all want. So either wages go down to match the income or supply needs to come out of the system.

Even Wall Street is concerned, look at the stock price.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MESA&t=1y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=

 

[YEAGER1]

From a very reliable source. I heard from someone within mgmt. That JO is willing to go as high as 149 an hour for capt's. I guess JO should be a little more careful when he speaks aloud.

 

[English]

Even if they took Delta out of the equation it would still be about $155 for CA's and near $100/hr for the senior FO's. So, English, did you get juniored into the 700 yet?

I don't know. Is the bid result out yet? I'm on reserve and not flying, so I haven't been to the airport.

But, I'd say its likely. My luck has to run out sometime!