2 hours in day VFR?

[dmspilot00]

First:

FAR 61.63

(c) Additional class rating. Any person who applies for an additional class rating to be added on a pilot certificate:

(4) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought...

So if you are already a Commercial pilot on ASEL you do not need to do a multiengine cross country, which you probably are, so even talking about this is pointless.


Second:

"Day VFR conditions" means just that... conditions. If they wanted you to be VFR specifically and prohibit you from being on an IFR flight plan, they would have said "conducted under day VFR." When you say "VFR conditions" it does not matter whether you are on an IFR flight plan or not, as long as it is VFR conditions, It's really not that complicated.

Do not think, "but they FAA would have said day VMC," because FARs do not even recognize such a word. It was a word made up by pilots to describe whether or not you could see the horizon.

 

[minitour]

I couldn't agree more. The cat's-meow is to teach the required items and teach the student the coorilation and application of the essence of the task to real world everyday flying and safety.

If an instructor sees a task as meaningless, then it is the instructors responsibilty to look under the skin and find the meaning to the task and teach with a purpose.

Hey, wadda ya know...thats in my FOI written prep!

-mini

 

[nosehair]

First:

FAR 61.63

(c) Additional class rating. Any person who applies for an additional class rating to be added on a pilot certificate:

(4) Need not meet the specified training time requirements prescribed by this part that apply to the pilot certificate for the aircraft class rating sought...

So if you are already a Commercial pilot on ASEL you do not need to do a multiengine cross country, which you probably are, so even talking about this is pointless.

The original poster klubic, said "I'm working on a part 61 multi-enginr commercial license..." not "...a multi-engine add-on." So I interpreted klubic to mean an initial Commercial Certificate in a multi-engine class airplane. Asking about the details of the 2 hour day vfr x/c lead me to make this interpretation. If klubic is an add-on, his/her instructor is leading him/her astray, because, of course, you're right on point #1.

Second:

"Day VFR conditions" means just that... conditions. If they wanted you to be VFR specifically and prohibit you from being on an IFR flight plan, they would have said "conducted under day VFR." When you say "VFR conditions" it does not matter whether you are on an IFR flight plan or not, as long as it is VFR conditions, It's really not that complicated.

Do not think, "but they FAA would have said day VMC," because FARs do not even recognize such a word. It was a word made up by pilots to describe whether or not you could see the horizon.

Well, this comes down to the differences in interpretation between "operations" & "training", doesn't it?
You are 100% right, dmspilot, in your expression of the legal term "VFR conditions" for operational practices, however, as an instructor, I am looking at the overall picture and not just considering the type of flight plan, or the weather conditions, but the planning and execution of the flight. I think the flight should be planned and flown as if it were a "VFR" flight. Usually. It really depends on the student and local conditions. As long as vfr planning, rules, and navigating are addressed, the training is accomplished. If you think that filing and accepting an IFR clearance will enhance, not sidestep, the VFR part of the x/c training, then you are still following the intent of the training requirement.

my two bits.

 

[siucavflight]

I plan on asking my local FSDO about this, but they're closed so until then...

I'm working on a part 61 multi-engine commercial license. In regard to 61.129(b)(3)(iii): "One cross country flight of at least 2 hours in a multiengine airplane in day VFR conditions..."

Would a 2.1 hour, day VFR flight with .1 actual (to fly through a layer, etc.) satisfy this requirement?

Are you already a commercial pilot?

If so you do not need to do any x/c time in a multi engine aircraft if you are already a Commercial pilot.

 

[gt2]

yes, it should