1900 flying question

[Diesel]

Had a flight on the might beech ball the other day.

Here's the question-

With the right seat pilot flying for a visual aproach backed up by the ILS. Is it normal for the right seat pilot to fly with both hands on the yoke all the way to touchdown?

IT was blowing and they had about 10kts variation on the airspeed all the way down. Nothing that the fo needed two hands on the yoke though. On the touchdown the capt put it in beta and then the fo took the throttles from there. Kind of weird.

Is this normal in the beech? Or is it because the right seat is so far from the throttles?

Not to monday morning qb but it just looked weird. Plus I was bored out of my gord so it gave me something to watch.

 

[chperplt]

Is it normal for the right seat pilot to fly with both hands on the yoke all the way to touchdown?

Not a good practice to follow.. The airplane at it's heaviest is quite easy to fly with one hand. The other hand needs to be on the PLs getting ready for the go around..

 

[Diesel]

that's what I thought. I used to fly a 200 so I didn't think the yoke weight was much difference.

It was weird watching the fo fly the whole visual with both hands on the yoke doing about 120 till the flare. Or maybe about 5 to 5:30 oclock on the airspeed.

 

[MJG]

Maybe the Captain was just a big D I C K !!

 

[chperplt]

Maybe the Captain was just a big D I C K !!

Maybe so...

BUT.. how does that have anything to do with the topic?

 

[DrinkSweetTea]

Maybe it was a Gulfstream FO under their "Enhanced Passenger" program where they pay for a first class ticket and get to ride up from and fly!

 

[FlyaGuppy]

Was this one of the 1900 PFT operators? A serious question. That just sounds all kinds of wrong.

 

[deskjobssuck]

Just a couple of thoughts, and mine are usually wrong anyway, but here goes.
If you set the torques at 1000lbs, you're going to end up with the right speed all the way down. I know that once I set the throttles when intercepting the glide, I usually don't touch them again till the flare.
There really isn't much lag in the mighty pratts spooling up, so you really don't need to be constantly ready to jam in the power if you do have to go around. Missed approach at mins is a whole other story.
As far as the captain pulling the throttles, I can't imagine even the biggest weiner making that part of normal ops. We have several smaller statured pilots who like to have the captain pull the throttles. I don't agree with it, but if it makes them comfortable, so be it.
I wonder how much of a crosswind there was the day you were flying. The Biatch can be a real handful in a crosswind with that super handy rudder-aileron interconnect, not to mention The "stand-up cabin" providing more sail area than the average condominium complex. The yoke can be very stiff in roll and it only gets worse the more crosswind there is.
Our funny little Biach operation in the NE does not PFT. Did a long time ago, but not no mo'.

 

[Diesel]

actually it was a NE operator that's plane's look like usair but they are flying for continental. You can figure it out who it is pretty quickly.

The wind was right down the runway. Your right the fo was shorter in stature. But if you can't reach the throttles isn't that a problem? Also in a gusty situation its probably a good idea to keep their hands on the throttles just in case the bottom droped out.

I just thought it was interesting.

 

[labbats]

Did anyone else see the latest Professional Pilot magazine with this company on the cover and the payscale inside?

First Year F/O - $1145 a month

Captain - $2000 a month




Yet they had the nerve to complain about losing pilots to other carriers.

I have no problem with the low pay, hell it's an improvement over what I make now. But let's keep the pilot attrition complaints to ourselves, ok?

 

[Company Man]

Diesel,

Just out of curiosity, what day and what airport was this into? The 5:00 to 5:30 range is closer to 150 kts.

Labbats,

I recently read that 2Pac and Elvis were sighted together recording a new album, I guess that's true too?

 

[Diesel]

Lets just say N of NYC

I don't want to say what time or day it was. U never know what type of managment is lurking around here trying to get the crew in trouble. I'm just looking for info.

 

[sleeve]

maybe they were just bored with doin it the same way....Me and a captain have done the same thing in the RJ just to change things up...I used to fly for that carrier and that was not the usual. But if they were flying N of NYC they were probably Alb or Roc based and those guys are usually pretty layed back and don't go by the book ALL THE TIME

 

[labbats]

Diesel,

Just out of curiosity, what day and what airport was this into? The 5:00 to 5:30 range is closer to 150 kts.

Labbats,

I recently read that 2Pac and Elvis were sighted together recording a new album, I guess that's true too?

The difference is that it is in print in the latest Professional Pilot magazine. Try reading a whole post sometime.

 

[Company Man]

The point that I was trying to make is that you can't beleive everything that you read... even if it has an official title.

 

[labbats]

agreed

 

[Company Man]

Diesel,

I appreciate your candor in not naming times or places. Just wondering if it was on Mon, the winds were really howling throughout our system.

Just curious ... are you certian that the Capt put the aircraft into Beta? Our procedures are for the PNF (in this case the Capt) to place the prop levers full forward after touchdown. Also the aircraft has a sort of auto beta that will put the porpellers in ground idle (versus flight idle) automatically on touchdown. It makes a noticable change in both sound and deceleration. This combined with the capt putting the props forward might have looked like they were putting it in beta.

On the other note I have had FO's ask me to pull the power back for them in the flare during high crosswinds/gust situations. I'm not crazy about doing that as it generally leads to a crappy landing.

If this was in HPN, send me a PM, it was probably me, I've been rinnung the Westchester shuttle for the last couple of days.


Hey sleeve... you mean we have a "book" to follw? I'll have to go try to find mine I have a checkride next month

 

[sleeve]

ha, the yeah I actually found it the other day when cleaning house up in ROC.. Part of my resignation present from Plattsburgh.

I remember white plains.They still have the two twins that flirt with everything that walks on the ramp..

 

[Diesel]

Company man- Sent you a pM

 

[FurloughedAgain]

I see quite a few RJ pilots who hear "50 feet", pull the thrust levers to idle, and then grab on to the yoke with both hands as if for dear life and wrestle the mighty beast to the ground.

In 4 years flying the Boeing and the Douglas around not once did I see anyone pull a "two hander" to flare.

Not saying i'm Lindbergh or anything but it's pretty funny to watch!