135 Pic ?

[MAX]

can I log 135 pic turbine if I am the sole manipulator and hold a type,but did not sign off the plane.
what are the requirements?

 

[SDCFI]

You can log it as Part 61 PIC as sole manipulator. If you plan on going to the airlines make a note that it is Part 61, that way when you go to an airline that only accepts Part 1 PIC (SW) it will be easy for you to differentiate the two. Part 1 PIC is when you sign for the plane and are the "final authority" person responsible for the flight.

 

[JumpJetter]

But SWA's website says this...

I know this has gone around and around on this board, but SWA's own website is pretty clear about it.

Southwest Airlines defines "Pilot in Command" as the Pilot responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft during flight. This definition is taken from PART I of the FAR. Southwest Airlines further allows logging of PIC as follows: For an aircraft requiring a type rating: If both pilots are type rated, the pilot in the left seat and sole manipulator of the controls may log PIC. If only one pilot is type rated only that pilot may log PIC, regardless of seat position. For aircraft not requiring a type rating: Only the pilot in the left seat and sole manipulator of the controls may log PIC. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot In Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander in the appropriate aircraft. Time logged, as "Other Time" will not be considered. When converting taxi time a conversion factor of .3 or eighteen minutes, per leg/sortie should be used. These guidelines are imposed by Southwest Airlines for the purpose of standardizing the calculation of flight time.

Maybe you are at a Part 135 Carrier and either fly the empty legs Part 91 or have co-captains....?? Why read more into it than what SWA's website says specifically? I'm sure someone will say "they spoke to so and so at the AIRINC conf. and they said to do it this way or that way". Seems clear above.

 

[mavrck]

you know, if you ask 3 different POIs about this you will even get 3 different answers. The hard part is trying to keep it all sane. Read the deffinition of SOLE MANIPULATOR in the regs. Does it also cover the so called sole manipulator that turned the autopilot on for that leg?

 

[SDCFI]

I'm not quite ready to apply to SW so I haven't read their req's that closely (obviously). Seems kinda weird that they only want PIC if you are the legal final authority, but they will let a typed pilot log PIC even if they aren't the legal PIC. I'm not complaining, when I get my Metro type and fly left seat during IOE with a training captain who will be the one who signs for the plane I can still log PIC, good deal.

 

[avbug]

Logging pilot-in-command experiece and acting as pilot-in-command are completely different subjects, with different purposes, and governed by different regulation. Don't confuse logging pilot time with acting as pilot. Two very different things.

If you are logging pilot experience with an eye toward a professional career, it's time to abandon the juvinile tendeny to log time for the sake of logging time. Your logged pilot in command experience should begin to reflect your actual pilot in command experience. Simply because you may legally log the time doesn't mean that you should. Log PIC when you really are the pilot in command. Not simply because you're authorized to do so under 14 CFR 61.51(e).