135.265 Flight Time Req's.

[CloudyIFR]

We had a big discussion with varying views today about FAR 135.265 (a) (3)
No more than 34 hours in any 7 consecutive days.

So what's the intent of the rule and are their any supporting documents or rationale?

The discussion went to ways:
1) Look back 7 days and you should never find more than 34 hours flight time

and

2) That if you have 24 hours off duty than the 7 day clock starts over?

The definition of consecutive says without a break, does that mean #1 above or a break as in time off?

In other words if you flew 7.8 hours each day;
Tues OFF
Wed 7.8
Thur 7.8
Fri 7.8
Sat Off
Sun Off
Mon 7.8
Tues CAN YOU FLY????? Well more than 2.8 hours?

Thanks so much for the insight.

CloudyIFR

 

[avbug]

In the scenario you provided, you can be scheduled to fly, and may accept an assignment to fly, up to 2.8 hours. However, the rule also stipulates that you can fly no more than 8 hours in a 24 consecutive hour period. If you finished flying at 2000 on Monday and flew 7.8 hours between 1200 and 2000, then when you arrive for duty at 0700 on Tuesday, you can fly .2 hours. It's not just the weekly restriction that presents an obstacle.

Note too that the regulation you quoted is for scheduled operations.

 

[MauleSkinner]

We had a big discussion with varying views today about FAR 135.265 (a) (3)
No more than 34 hours in any 7 consecutive days.

The discussion went to ways:
1) Look back 7 days and you should never find more than 34 hours flight time

and

2) That if you have 24 hours off duty than the 7 day clock starts over?

The definition of consecutive says without a break, does that mean #1 above or a break as in time off?

You should read it as #1 above...note that it doesn't say "no more than 34 hours in any 7 consecutive DUTY days"

Fly safe!

David

 

[CloudyIFR]

Thanks, that's what the majority thought.

MauleSkinner; yep it says will exceed, sorry but after 14 landings and 7.8 hours of flying in a 15.5 hour duty day that's what happens to the brain!

Curt

 

[mavrck]

15.5 duty day? hmmm something wrong there

 

[CloudyIFR]

15.5 duty day? hmmm something wrong there

Scheduled Operations, just makes one require to have 10 hours rest instead of 9 hours. Yes, the FAA thinks you can make up sleep!

Curt

 

[NoPax]

Well, if you go back on duty after 9 hours rest, and aren't scheduled to exceed the 8 in 24 hours, I don't see anything wrong.

Still looking in the regs where it specifically says in black and white '14 hour duty day must not be exceeded under any circumstances'. Possible it could be found in some company's operation specifications.

I've done a 15.7 hour duty day once due to weather - ie circumstances beyond the control of management, then took reduced rest of 8 hours before going back on duty.

When you go on duty, you 'look back' to see how much rest you got, along with how much flight time etc., within the past 24 hours, and 7 days, month etc.

 

[CloudyIFR]

Here's the reg for scheduled Ops, where does it say 14 hours?

The 14 hours is for NON-scheduled Ops.

Curt

Sec. 135.265 Flight time limitations and rest requirements: Scheduled operations.

(a) No certificate holder may schedule any flight crewmember, and no
flight crewmember may accept an assignment, for flight time in scheduled
operations or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total
flight time in all commercial flying will exceed--
(1) 1,200 hours in any calendar year.
(2) 120 hours in any calendar month.
(3) 34 hours in any 7 consecutive days.
(4) 8 hours during any 24 consecutive hours for a flight crew
consisting of one pilot.
(5) 8 hours between required rest periods for a flight crew
consisting of two pilots qualified under this part for the operation
being conducted.
(b) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no
certificate holder may schedule a flight crewmember, and no flight
crewmember may accept an assignment, for flight time during the 24
consecutive hours preceding the scheduled completion of any flight
segment without a scheduled rest period during that 24 hours of at least
the following:
(1) 9 consecutive hours of rest for less than 8 hours of scheduled
flight time.
(2) 10 consecutive hours of rest for 8 or more but less than 9 hours
of scheduled flight time.
(3) 11 consecutive hours of rest for 9 or more hours of scheduled
flight time.
(c) A certificate holder may schedule a flight crewmember for less
than the rest required in paragraph (b) of this section or may reduce a
scheduled rest under the following conditions:
(1) A rest required under paragraph (b)(1) of this section may be
scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight
crewmember is given a rest period of at least 10 hours that must begin
no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest
period.
(2) A rest required under paragraph (b)(2) of this section may be
scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 8 hours if the flight
crewmember is given a rest period of at least 11 hours that must begin
no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest
period.
(3) A rest required under paragraph (b)(3) of this section may be
scheduled for or reduced to a minimum of 9 hours if the flight
crewmember is given a rest period of at least 12 hours that must begin
no later than 24 hours after the commencement of the reduced rest
period.
(d) Each certificate holder shall relieve each flight crewmember
engaged in scheduled air transportation from all further duty for at
least 24 consecutive hours during any 7 consecutive days.

 

[NoPax]

That's the one I'm familiar with. I'm scheduled Part 135.

 

[mavrck]

ya, im non-scheduled. And used to the 14 hour rest. Sorry, I assumed we were talking non-scheduled. My bad