121 Check as IPC?

[iflyabeech]

Ralgha, if you are that naive I will let you be.

There is a difference between instruction towards an aircraft rating, and towards an insturment rating and that is spelled out in 61.195 b & c.

However, know it all 1700 hr flight instructors who are DORK enough to list every airplane they ever looked at are sure to be right:
Aircraft Experience: C120, C150, C152, C172, C172RG, C177, C182, C185, C310, C402, PA28-161, PA28-180, PA28R-200, PA30, PA44, RV6A, M20E, M20J, SR22, SNJ-5

Think what you want, but you are a DORK!

 

[A Squared]

I don't know who this "Doc" guy is, but of course 121 check or a 135.297 ride counts as an IPC. A .297 is basically an ATP checkride.

Doc is an airline pilot who also runs a forum dedicated to aviation regulations. It's a pretty useful site, and Doc is pretty resourceful when it comes to digging up relevant interpretations and other official sources. Like I said, his forum has no official standing, but it is a useful source of info. Again like I said, I don't agree with his views on this, but I mentioned them as an alternate view. your results may vary.

The interpretation that says CFI checkrides don't count as BFRs. Granted it's not exactly contrary because you have to pull in the PTS as well.

No it's not contrary at all. it is in 100% agreement with the text of the regulation.

The regulation specifies a checkride for a *pilot* certificate. At the end of a sucessful CFI checkride, does the examiner give you a pilot certificate? no he gives you an *instructor* certificate. An instructor certificate is not a pilot certificate. Take it out of your pocket and look at it carefully. You'll notice that the only place you'll find the word "pilot" is where it says: "valid only when accompanied by pilot certificate #xxxxxxxx"

Walk into an FBO where you are not known. Ask to rent an airplane. Show them only your instructor certificate ... think they're going to rent you an airplane?

Next time you get ramp checked, show only your instructor certificate to the inspector .... think he will accept that?

Bottom line is that the instructor certificate is not a pilot certificate, and the regulation specifies a checkride for a pilot certificate. There is nothing in the interpretation which is contrary to the regulation.

 

[Ralgha]

iflyabeech:

Now you stoop to petty insults. If that makes you feel better, fire away, I really don't care.

(b) is not refering to instruction for ratings, it is referring to FLIGHT INSTRUCTION. The little heading in the front "Aircraft Ratings" is referring to the instructor's ratings, not training for ratings. This is further supported by the fact that (c) includes the verbage "provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating or type rating not limited to VFR". Notice that (b) has no such language in it limiting it to aircraft ratings.

About the BFR thing, I know why it doesn't count, and I shouldn't have shown it as being contrary to the regs because it's not really. But, in my OPINION, it should count since the PTS requires pilot proficiency at the commercial level. My opinion means nothing and I know that so don't anyone bother trying to tell me please.

 

[A Squared]

But, in my OPINION, it should count since the PTS requires pilot proficiency at the commercial level.

Yeah, and I'd tend to agree with that opinion, but tlike you pointed out, our opinions on the matter are somewhat irrelevant.

 

[iflyabeech]

(b) is not refering to instruction for ratings, it is referring to FLIGHT INSTRUCTION. The little heading in the front "Aircraft Ratings" is referring to the instructor's ratings, not training for ratings. This is further supported by the fact that (c) includes the verbage "provides instrument flight training for the issuance of an instrument rating or type rating not limited to VFR". Notice that (b) has no such language in it limiting it to aircraft ratings.

Dude, you are wrong and you are a dork. Do you realize that people laugh at dorks like you that read too much into the regs?

I know folks who have nothing but a CFII and they give instrument instruction and sign people off for IFR rides, IPC's and such. Do you really think the FAA would allow his 8710 signoffs to go through when they issue the rating if he is not legal to give instruction? Do you really think the FAA would issue an Instrument Instructor rating as the only instructor rating if it were not legal or if it was not legal to use it? Use some common sense and chill with all of your dorky questions.

In time you will realize your dorkness.