10 Year FBI Background Check?

[Skrewedup]

*Dons Flame retardant suit*

Anyone know of a company that will do the same background check on you that an airline would do? I'd like one run to see what comes up.

A while back, I didn't make it through the medical processing to enter the Air Force Reserves. Was told the application would be put on hold until the matter was cleared up. Before I went back, I withdrew the app and took a job at a Regional.

Just curious as to exactly how that looks when the background check turns it up. Will that "medical rejection" ever show up to haunt me? Was it an actual rejection since it was me that terminated the process and not the Air Force?

Would just like to know for peace of mind.

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

I seriously doubt it's a problem. Airline medicals and Air Force medicals are quite different. They're only looking for actual convicted crimes on that check.

 

[smellthejeta]

I seriously doubt it's a problem. Airline medicals and Air Force medicals are quite different. They're only looking for actual convicted crimes on that check.

Yeah, but on the FAA medical form, there's a boxe that asks if you've ever failed/been denied a military medical/physical. I forget the exact wording, but it's there.

 

[Skrewedup]

Yeah, but on the FAA medical form, there's a boxe that asks if you've ever failed/been denied a military medical/physical. I forget the exact wording, but it's there.

...and hence I have my problem. Now I'm trying to figure out what to do. For whatever reason, when I was a dumb 21 year old kid, I checked "no" having convinced myself that I withdrew my app while it was on hold.

I'd just really like to know what it looks like so I can decide where to go from here. I don't want to initiate the "come to Jesus" meeting with the FAA if its not necessary. I've survived 2 background checks in this status. I never really thought about it until now, when I'm starting the application process for the dream jobs.

 

[JediNein]

Yeah, I failed a military medical exam. I wore glasses and was #205 for the only 200 waivers the military academies accepted that year.

And of those, 100 didn't make it past the summer!!!!!

It hasn't slowed down any FAA or airline applications.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[qmaster3]

when I was a dumb 21 year old kid, I checked "no" having convinced myself that I withdrew my app while it was on hold.

Keep checking NO. The military can't find their own records half the time. No airline will get to it.

 

[Skrewedup]

Keep checking NO. The military can't find their own records half the time. No airline will get to it.

Thats what I'm hoping. Since 9/11 and the new requirements for the pilot records, I'm not sure whether they dig deep enough to get there or not.

This is the one and only skeleton in my closet and it sucks having to keep it there. I'm afraid coming clean will do more harm than good though. In case anyone is interested, the medical process was put on hold because I was 3 pounds overweight.

 

[Beertini]

Keep checking NO. The military can't find their own records half the time. No airline will get to it.

I have done the military thing and I couldn't agree more with the inadequate record keeping capabilities of the DOD. However, I also know that my civilian employer is very big on integrity. (For that matter, so was the Air Force--there was something about 'Integrity First...' in there somewhere). Had I lied on my application and they found out about it I am quite certain I would be back waiting tables and bartending faster than they could cancel my line number.

I would try to find out if your physical is even an issue, and to what extent it is an issue, before I lied to a prospective employer.

Also, as Mmmmmm Burritos stated:
'They're only looking for actual convicted crimes on that check.'
I am no lawyer, but you may be flirting with exactly that if you lie on a flight physical form. If I recall, there is a little block at the bottom of the form that discusses severe fines and jail time for lying.

From my rather shallow well of experience, there is always a waiver for anything. I would rather pursue that avenue than open myself to all of these other possibilities.

Best of luck.

Beertini

 

[qmaster3]

I was 3 pounds overweight.

Agree with Beertini, if you have a serious medical condition that will affect your flying. Then your integrity is in question.

If you had a weight issue, and did not meet military standards that is another thing.

Am I correct?
You were over weight?
They told you to come back when you were within PFT standards?
So you never took the Medical.
So you never failed the Medical.


Tell em what you want boss. Those records (if they exist) are sealed, and the only way they will show up is if you give permission, or court ordered. I wouldn't look back. It might be different if you had a heart murmur; you were deaf, or just retarded. You have to think about the 250-gazillion apps sitting in the HR office. Don't hinder your chances over 3/lbs. IMHO

 

[smellthejeta]

If you're going to lie, you need to do two things:

1) What happens if you get caught? (duh)

and

2) Can they catch you? What records exist where? I have a reckless driving citation that only shows in court records, and not on my license. Lying about it works if I know the employer only checks my DMV history. Whenever I am asked about it, I refer to it as "excessive speeding" as that is how the charge was listed on the court document (reckless driving/excessive speeding). I haven't been burned by that yet, and since the conviction is now over 3 years old, I really have no qualms about fessing up to it either.

However, I am kinda sorta in the same boat you are wrt military physicals. I was going to submit an application for UPT, but in the process, I found that I could not correct my vision within military standards. Since I never sent in the application or iniated the physical, there is no medical that has ever been denied. OTOH, there are other boxes on the app that I have to check that I have not yet done (at my last exam, per the direction of my AME and supporting documentation, I checked no), so I don't know the ramifications of checking yes. I will have to do so on my next medical whenever I get around to it.

 

[EMBPLT]

FBI background checks only provide information on crimes that you were actually convicted of doing. The information you are concerned about has nothing to do with background checking.

 

[DoubleB]

Is the FBI ck really only for 10 yrs? What if you were arrested for disorderly conduct (bar fight) 15yrs ago. Would anyone care. If I were asked point blank "Have you ever been arrested" I'd fess up...........otherwise I dont plan on volunteering this info. Anyone have any thoughts

 

[FarginDooshbahg]

Got yer a$$ kicked in a bar and you don't want to fess up about it?

Can't say I blame ya, BB.

Bar brawlin' and flyin' jes don't go together.

 

[qmaster3]

Bar brawlin' and flyin' jes don't go together.

Excuse Fargin he's never been on deployment.

Double B,

Have a P.I. pull your rap sheet, or see if the MA's (MP's if you're AF) will do it at your command. Sorry bro, I think arrest stay on file forever. I'd hook ya up if I was still at the precinct, but they stuck me in a dark room with a bunch of radar screens.

 

[DoubleB]

Fargin is a dooshbagh, if you must know cessna boy - good friend got hit in the face w/ a half full bottle of bud. Came to his rescue, several folks went to the clink that night over this one. 40 stitches in the face, almost lost his eye, never flew another airplane for uncle sam.

I think I did what any red blooded American who flys supersonic fighters would do. I'd die for my friends my man. My country also - 106 events over the badlands in my logbook to prove it. YOU are going to tell ME about what goes with flyin jets? I'm thinking.............aint going to happen

Your story- my money is on petite girly boy, scariest flying story is when one of your C-152 students darned near stalled it once. Get a life.

 

[MetroSheriff]

I think I did what any red blooded American who flys supersonic fighters would do.

Put "Danger Zone" in the CD player, dress up in your flight suit, don your helmet, snap your chewing gum in the mirror and call yourself "Iceman"???

- 106 events over the badlands in my logbook to prove it. YOU are going to tell ME about what goes with flyin jets? I'm thinking.............aint going to happen

Your story- my money is on petite girly boy, scariest flying story is when one of your C-152 students darned near stalled it once. Get a life.

How do you know when you've met the biggest Barney Badass in the Air Force??


Oh don't worry, he'll tell you.

 

[DoubleB]

Navy!!

 

[USMCAirWinger]

Dude, this is not a Top Secret single-scope background investigation. They won't look for that stuff in their simple FBI background check.

 

[Skrewedup]

Thanks for all the responses guys. Trust me... I'm taking everything into consideration.

 

[Snakum]

FBI background checks only provide information on crimes that you were actually convicted of doing.

Unfortunately, this isn't true at all.

I just went thru one for the FAA because of a records snafu and they wanted a full, written explanation for every single time I had ever been arrested or had received a Civil Summons for anything. I have been arrested or received a summons previously for minor stuff and for bigger stuff during a particularly nasty divorce. Looking at the standard federal printout, thay could tell me every single time I had ever been arrested or had received a civil summons in any state, at any age, for any reason. It's all there ... everything ... even though it was all either dismissed, never went to trial, or was plead down to a class three misdemeanor.

If you apply for an airline job and you were told any of the following by a $hit-house lawyer:

"You were under 18 ... it doesn't count"

"It has been expunged ... it doesn't count"

"It was dismissed ... it doesn't count"

And if you check no to a questions about ARRESTS and not just convictions ... you are going to get your heart broken in ground school. I've heard it before here at FlightInfo, and I've heard it in person. Some guy checks NO to the "Have you ever been arrested?" question because someone told him one of the above lines ... gets to ground school and one day they pull him out to ask a couple questions for clarification ... welcome to unemployment.

A Federal Background Investigation packet will inform your employer of every single time you have ever been arrested for anything, anywhere, and at any age, regardless of the eventual outcome ... period.

Minh