10 hour solo build time

[flyallday]

I was wondering when you are training for your ppl, when you have to do the 10 hours of solo time, can anybody come with you like your dad or friend, or are you only allowed to fly alone

 

[TDTURBO]

You're not allowed to take up passengers until you have a PPL.

 

[surfnole]

As a student pilot, you can't take passengers. Thats what the license is for. It is in the FARs somewhere.

 

[dmspilot00]

And it says "PASSENGER CARRYING PROHIBITED" on your student pilot/medical certificate.

 

[bobbysamd]

Solo time

Solo means "alone." The only "passenger" you can carry is your instructor, who is PIC when he/she is with you. You are breaking the regs big time if you carry any nonpilot on a "solo" flight. Even another student pilot. You are not a pilot until you earn a Rec pilot or better certificate. Until that time you are a student.

Recreational Pilots can carry no more than one pax. 14 CFR 61.101(a)(1).

Hope that helps a little more.

 

[aviatrix]

YIKES! (Please, flyallday, have a conversation with your CFI!)

 

[carlos]

Please read the FARs. It's clearly stated that this is not allowed.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Minor Point-

A student pilot IS a pilot.

Just a very restricted one.

It says: Student Pilot Certificate

Semantics, semantics...

 

[flyallday]

Whats the difference between a Rec pilot and a PPL, I wasent sure if that was my rec license. When do i get that

 

[midlifeflyer]

What's the difference between a Rec pilot and a PPL, I wasent sure if that was my rec license. When do i get that

You might not get a recreational certificate.

Some years ago, the FAA decided that they would authorize a pilot certificate that had some restrictions. That's the recreational certificate.

Keeping it to the basics, it takes less time to get the rec certificate in large part because there's no cross country training requirement. There are also some restrictions like carrying only one passenger at a time, limits on how far you can go from your airport (remember you weren't trained for cross country flight), and the kinds of airspace you can travel in (no airspace, including airports, where you have to talk to someone).

These are good questions. Maybe it's time you learned how to look up the answers. Your pilot kit should have a FAR/AIM book. Go to Part 61 and you'll find more than you want to know about the requirements and the limits on the different pilot certificates.

 

[midlifeflyer]

A Rec. Cert. is a bad idea and they shouldn't allow them, IMO.

That a pretty strong statement. Why shouldn't (for example) a pilot in the middle of Kansas who's hundreds of miles from even a small Class D airport and wants to fly a wood and fabric airplane without a radio be prevented from taking friends for a ride without spending thousands on extra training he'll never use?

 

[100LL... Again!]

Let's see now...

Student Pilot
Recreational Pilot
Commercial Pilot
Airline Transport Pilot

I don't see one that says just 'pilot'.

How is a student pilot not a pilot?

It is a certificate issued that has privileges and limitations, like any other.

A Student Pilot is responsible for rule compliance and knowledge, just like any other. AND, if they violate a reg, THEY will be the target of an enforcement action. Maybe their CFI as well IF it can be proved that the CFI did not properly train them. If the student deliberately takes a passenger, let's say, the CFI should not have to worry, as long as they have trained them properly. This is one of the reasons for a THOROUGH presolo written: It provides protection for the CFI that the ground training was complete. It is as important as the logbook entries for flight instruction.

 

[100LL... Again!]

So, because you read the title on the certificate different, student pilots aren't pilots. Then how come the FAA considers solo time Pilot in Command ?

The student pilot certificate IS earned. The CFI is the issuing authority. Training is required. Endorsements are required.
A written test is required. Your position lacks a basis in the regs. Show me where it says they are NOT a pilot. Where are you getting this?

A student pilot holds -one more time here- a Student PILOT Certificate. It says pilot certificate right on the piece of paper.

Call your FSDO and ask 'em. They'll tell you.

To quote:
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the four titles you listed though, only one denotes a student.
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Each title is a GRADE of certificate. Each one authorizes a person to be "pilot" in command under certain circumstances.

Student is a grade. Pvt is a grade. Comm is a grade, etc.

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The student pilot certifcate is not earned, it's given...that's the difference.
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Not true. In all cases the instructor certifies the student ready for examination. The checkride is a validation from the FAA. The CFI turns the student into a pilot, regardless of rating.

On a pvt checkride, the applicant logs PIC. How can they do that? Because they are now essentially a pvt pilot. If they unsat an item on the checkride, then the recommendation is disapproved. It was still PIC time. You can't log PIC unless you are a PILOT.

I'll need to see in writing where a student pilot is not a pilot.
All of the points I've made can be easily verified.

 

[JCJ]

student pilot a "pilot"?

perhaps interesting theoretical discussion, but irrelevant to the original post

a student pilot (whether you consider him a pilot or not) may not carry passengers - so flyallday, sorry you cant carry anyone with you except your CFI

you may carry passengers, however, as soon as the ink is dry on your PPL temporary airman certificate - just please be smart and safe about it

 

[prodigal]

flyallday

Don't mean to pile on here, but have you soloed at all yet? 61.87b requires you to take a pre-solo written exam. One of the questions on the exam deals with the passenger issue. Get into your FAR/AIM.
You may have a great CFI and perhaps you've just not gotten to this point yet, but in any case, do yourself a favor and go ahead and start taking some responsibility for your own training and learning. Don't wait to be spoon fed. It will seve you well all throughout your flying career, regardless how far you intend to go. Please take this as it is intended, as friendly avuncular advise.
Good luck.