A choice for the transfers still at Flex

[GlorifiedCabbie]

With Options announcing the opening of bids for 4 Phenom 300 PIC's, the pilots that transferred to Flex on a PLOA have a choice to make. They can stay on the bottom of the seniority list at Flex, or return to Options and keep their original seniority number.

 

[rajflyboy]

Id take that awesome Phenom pic slot

 

[V1 Rotate]

.....

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

The longer the transfers stay at Flex, the more time in service they lose at Options. If they choose to return to Options, the company should let them. If they put in a formal request to return from their PLOA, they should be able to resume accruing longevity with their Options number.

 

[Brit]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn0WdJx-Wkw

 

[1folinepilot]

The UNION mailed out certified letters to the transfer pilots who did not fill out a withdrawal card for their PLOA demanding back dues or termination in 90 days.

A dick move from the UNION for an honest mistake those guys made.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So send in your withdrawn card and stop whining. As for the slots opened at Options, I hope the SIC's that want to upgrade or the transfer pilots that want to return will get their chance and not be denied by MANAGEMENT because that would be a dick move.

 

[el raton]

Everyone is worried about ~80 transfers but couldn't give a damn about the 100+ flex pilots who got ********************ed in this sli. ******************** em'

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Bypass pay for everyone! Uncle made the mess and he has to fix it!

 

[el raton]

Bypass pay for everyone! Uncle made the mess and he has to fix it!

As nice as that sounds, it probably won't fly in arbitration.

 

[luckydog]

Everyone is worried about ~80 transfers but couldn't give a damn about the 100+ flex pilots who got ********************ed in this sli. ******************** em'

+1

Them and the ********************ty Phenom they rode in on.

 

[doh]

Everyone is worried about ~80 transfers but couldn't give a damn about the 100+ flex pilots who got ********************ed in this sli. ******************** em'

Hey Drama Queen, tiara is tarnished. Not one single Flexjet pilot got fusched in this thing. Not one single Flight Options pilot got fusched either. The list is fair and equitable. 238 Flexjet pilots out of 299 are better off under this list than straight percentage placement. So for you little b.i.otches who are crying about 100+ pilots, kma.

 

[luckydog]

Hey Drama Queen, tiara is tarnished. Not one single Flexjet pilot got fusched in this thing. Not one single Flight Options pilot got fusched either. The list is fair and equitable. 238 Flexjet pilots out of 299 are better off under this list than straight percentage placement. So for you little b.i.otches who are crying about 100+ pilots, kma.

Thanks for your concern.

and the name calling is a classy touch.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

Management thinks the transfer pilots got a raw deal.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...jet/flight-options-clash-over-pilot-seniority

 

[jetwash]

A dick move from the UNION for an honest mistake those guys made.

They are all educated adults who made an informed decision hoping to advance their careers.

Now that it is not working out the way they envisioned they start blaming the rules that we are all following.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Everyone is worried about ~80 transfers but couldn't give a damn about the 100+ flex pilots who got ********************ed in this sli. ******************** em'

+1

Them and the ********************ty Phenom they rode in on.

I've gotta say the more I hear about some of the hinky details of this debacle, the more inclined I am give validity to the concerns expressed here.

There is a growing seed of serious discontent and the union officials I've tried reaching out to are completely oblivious to it. Kenn doesn't have to lift a finger, we are our own worst enemy.

Kiss my ass? Really? I was starting to fall for fair and equitable mantra until it was pointed out to me the committee members magically fared very, very well for themselves. You're total disregard for the pilots you allowed to be sacrificed for the greater good is telling. Instead of KMA how about thanks for your sacrifice and a game plan moving forward. Instead it's the usual schtick by the usual suspects with absolutely no substance.

 

[Imissmypilot]

Management thinks the transfer pilots got a raw deal.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...jet/flight-options-clash-over-pilot-seniority

That's rich. The only people who can't complain in this whole deal are the transfer pilots.

 

[doh]

I've gotta say the more I hear about some of the hinky details of this debacle, the more inclined I am give validity to the concerns expressed here.

There is a growing seed of serious discontent and the union officials I've tried reaching out to are completely oblivious to it. Kenn doesn't have to lift a finger, we are our own worst enemy.

Kiss my ass? Really? I was starting to fall for fair and equitable mantra until it was pointed out to me the committee members magically fared very, very well for themselves. You're total disregard for the pilots you allowed to be sacrificed for the greater good is telling. Instead of KMA how about thanks for your sacrifice and a game plan moving forward. Instead it's the usual schtick by the usual suspects with absolutely no substance.

Two out of the three SLI committee members stand to lose their captain pay, and didn't move up one percent in relative placement. How did they fare? And negotiating the top because Flexjet is the oldest company pulled every Flexjet pilot up. Every single one.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

They are all educated adults who made an informed decision hoping to advance their careers.

Now that it is not working out the way they envisioned they start blaming the rules that we are all following.

^^^^^

 

[slowtation capt]

The UNION mailed out certified letters to the transfer pilots who did not fill out a withdrawal card for their PLOA demanding back dues or termination in 90 days.

A dick move from the UNION for an honest mistake those guys made.

Sucks to be you Phil

 

[luckydog]

I didn't make an informed decision, I made a decision based on a lie. Integration was NEVER going to based on DoH, tenure, longevity... it was going to be based on percentage. THAT WAS A LIE. So all the logic that is spun around that falsehood is crap.

I was then told I'd NEVER lose my captain seat. I should have gotten that in writing because now it seems that we stand to do just that. You signed an agreement the has the very really possibility of turning all but the top 130ish FJ guys into junior FOs or furlough fodder. There is no "fair and equitable" there.

You're asking me to see your sacrifice because you didn't move up? You didn't really move down either so, nope, so sympathy here. Practically speaking, our careers here are over, but numerically, you did all right.

It works out like this: the Options guys took care of their own, KR is taking care of the transfers, and the SLI guys took care of themselves and the POC (except GG; the guy that was most vocal about you not being on the SLI). Everyone else is just going to have to be content with making a sacrifice for the greater good.

kiss your a$$, sure, but I'll have to wait until the Options guys are done passing it around.

 

[slowtation capt]

I didn't make an informed decision, I made a decision based on a lie. Integration was NEVER going to based on DoH, tenure, longevity... it was going to be based on percentage. THAT WAS A LIE. So all the logic that is spun around that falsehood is crap.

I was then told I'd NEVER lose my captain seat. I should have gotten that in writing because now it seems that we stand to do just that. You signed an agreement the has the very really possibility of turning all but the top 130ish FJ guys into junior FOs or furlough fodder. There is no "fair and equitable" there.

You're asking me to see your sacrifice because you didn't move up? You didn't really move down either so, nope, so sympathy here. Practically speaking, our careers here are over, but numerically, you did all right.

It works out like this: the Options guys took care of their own, KR is taking care of the transfers, and the SLI guys took care of themselves and the POC (except GG; the guy that was most vocal about you not being on the SLI). Everyone else is just going to have to be content with making a sacrifice for the greater good.

kiss your a$$, sure, but I'll have to wait until the Options guys are done passing it around.

When did anyone ever say percentage?
Why do you think you are going to lose your captain seat?

 

[V1 Rotate]

I didn't make an informed decision, I made a decision based on a lie. Integration was NEVER going to based on DoH, tenure, longevity... it was going to be based on percentage. THAT WAS A LIE. So all the logic that is spun around that falsehood is crap.

I was then told I'd NEVER lose my captain seat. I should have gotten that in writing because now it seems that we stand to do just that. You signed an agreement the has the very really possibility of turning all but the top 130ish FJ guys into junior FOs or furlough fodder. There is no "fair and equitable" there.

You're asking me to see your sacrifice because you didn't move up? You didn't really move down either so, nope, so sympathy here. Practically speaking, our careers here are over, but numerically, you did all right.

It works out like this: the Options guys took care of their own, KR is taking care of the transfers, and the SLI guys took care of themselves and the POC (except GG; the guy that was most vocal about you not being on the SLI). Everyone else is just going to have to be content with making a sacrifice for the greater good.

kiss your a$$, sure, but I'll have to wait until the Options guys are done passing it around.

No one on the Flexjet Merger Committee promised you it would be straight percentage. True, that was the main objective and it's also true that 60% of the Flexjet pilots' percentage increased even when counting the the transfers as Flight Options pilots, the most conservative way of doing it. So, the more transfers that stay at Flexjet, the better your percentage will end up being. As far as your CA seat goes, yes, it's protected during integration. "No system flush." It's in McCaskill-Bond and reiterated in the Flight Options contract. Now, if your fleet goes away, there's a furlough, etc, there's nothing there that the Merger Committees could've predict.

 

[doh]

I didn't make an informed decision, I made a decision based on a lie. Integration was NEVER going to based on DoH, tenure, longevity... it was going to be based on percentage. THAT WAS A LIE. So all the logic that is spun around that falsehood is crap.

I was then told I'd NEVER lose my captain seat. I should have gotten that in writing because now it seems that we stand to do just that. You signed an agreement the has the very really possibility of turning all but the top 130ish FJ guys into junior FOs or furlough fodder. There is no "fair and equitable" there.

You're asking me to see your sacrifice because you didn't move up? You didn't really move down either so, nope, so sympathy here. Practically speaking, our careers here are over, but numerically, you did all right.

It works out like this: the Options guys took care of their own, KR is taking care of the transfers, and the SLI guys took care of themselves and the POC (except GG; the guy that was most vocal about you not being on the SLI). Everyone else is just going to have to be content with making a sacrifice for the greater good.

kiss your a$$, sure, but I'll have to wait until the Options guys are done passing it around.

130 guys remain captains and the rest are furlough fodder? You need to put down that crack pipe. I'm thinking you are one of the junior CL30 captains who are off the chain about downgrading. I'm not sure who you are, but all you junior CL30 captains are not losing your pic seats. That's just not happening.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

So do you think you could make a better side deal with Kenn? It hasn't worked in the past, so what makes you think things would be different this time? Just like he tried to do with Citation Shares, take the equipment and customers and let the pilots find a job somewhere else. The Flex pilots have no idea how lucky they really are.

 

[luckydog]

So do you think you could make a better side deal with Kenn? It hasn't worked in the past, so what makes you think things would be different this time? Just like he tried to do with Citation Shares, take the equipment and customers and let the pilots find a job somewhere else. The Flex pilots have no idea how lucky they really are.

This entire deal is now Kenn takes the equipment and customers, Flight Options pilots take the seat, and most of the FJ guys find other jobs elsewhere. Over time, and mean a very short time, Flexjet has gone from a profitable business with a decent reputation to being run by Flight Options, flown by Flight Options, being Flight Options. It's embarrassing.

I really can't decide which is worse, KR or the Flight Options pilot group, you're both untrustworthy, corruptible, and incompetent.

Yea, we're the luck ones, that's really rich.

 

[flexpilot]

You guys better all pull together or Ricci is going to screw you all.

 

[GlorifiedCabbie]

I hate to admit it but Kenn already knows the playbook. Now that the membership is open to the Flex pilots, Kenn will gauge their solidarity by the number of Flex pilots that become MIGS. When I started out, I didn't want one penny of my hard earned money going to the Teamsters, but after Kenn showed his true colors, my dues seamed like a bargain. There was no way, after they singled me out, that I could afford representation on my own.

 

[doh]

Lucky, please post the seniority numbers who got screwed. If you are going to be a mamnagement plant, the least you should do is post who you are bogusly claiming got screwed. Because 238 out of 299 Flexjet pilots are better off by straight percentage placement with this list. So who are the "100+" who got screwed.

 

[OldCrow]

This entire deal is now Kenn takes the equipment and customers, Flight Options pilots take the seat, and most of the FJ guys find other jobs elsewhere. Over time, and mean a very short time, Flexjet has gone from a profitable business with a decent reputation to being run by Flight Options, flown by Flight Options, being Flight Options. It's embarrassing.

I really can't decide which is worse, KR or the Flight Options pilot group, you're both untrustworthy, corruptible, and incompetent.

Yea, we're the luck ones, that's really rich.

We are in this together, we have vested Pilots doing our bidding. You DO Know what a UNION is..i'm impressed, I sound like Forest Gump