121 night ops into ASE

[blesko]

For the SKYW folks, can you PM me as I am looking for information/training issues that are encountered flying night ops into ASE. I've been in there in the corporate 91 side, however, any and all help is greatly appreciated.

 

[Kaman]

I think most airlines that operate into airports designated as special airports for terrain don't authorize their crews to descend below the MSA or MVA altitude until they are established on a published approach segment.

 

[Captainzero1]

When I was in 135 we never went into ASE at night and not after the Gulfstream crashed. It's hairy enough going in there visual and IMC. I leave the night approach to you brave souls.

 

[Kaman]

I flew 135 cargo into ASE also, but never felt it was as hazardous as some other airports...like BLF for example...

 

[NoJoy]

ASE is like any other airport at night but does have some optical illusions. The runway is sloped upward, it's a 100 feet wide, it has some obstruction lights at the opposite end and that makes you seem high. Tower loves to give you a 10 knot tail wind and then mumble (gusting to 25). Most guys fly one dot low on the vasi when they get below 500 feet. It's like any other Localizer approach.

 

[lindsaya99]

Never been there but I hear the beer flows like wine.

 

[RJLoser]

Never been there but I hear the beer flows like wine.

Yes. And guys...I believe the correct spelling is Aspin.

 

[OPECJet]

Yes. And guys...I believe the correct spelling is Aspin.

Only if you're doing it right.

 

[xjhawk]

I never want to go missed at night in a snow storm there ever again-that night we did it twice. Aspen is fun VFR day, but anything else all the fun is gone.

 

[IBNAV8R]

The missed is no problem at all if you're on your "A" game. (If you're not, you got no business going into ASE.) The "Balked Landing Procedure" (formerly the "emergency extraction procedure") is something else.

 

[xjhawk]

Yeah I agree to the balked landing procedure-and I had no business going in there

 

[Simon Says]

ASE is like any other airport at night but does have some optical illusions. The runway is sloped upward, it's a 100 feet wide, it has some obstruction lights at the opposite end and that makes you seem high. Tower loves to give you a 10 knot tail wind and then mumble (gusting to 25). Most guys fly one dot low on the vasi when they get below 500 feet. It's like any other Localizer approach.

Disregard everything this guy says. He is full of it. ASE is NOT like any other airport at night. I would chime in, but I haven't been there since the Avro days of Mesaba. ASE is serious business every time you go in or out.

 

[viper548]

Disregard everything this guy says. He is full of it. ASE is NOT like any other airport at night. I would chime in, but I haven't been there since the Avro days of Mesaba. ASE is serious business every time you go in or out.

Disregard te first and last sentence. Everything in the middle is accurate.

 

[urflyingme?!]

If you are asking for ASE advice on Flightinfo you are on step 6 of a 7 step crash event chain. Godpseed.

 

[blesko]

I've been in there dozens of times, that's not the issue chief. I'm trying to see what current folks are doing. Great advice from the mesa guy....either contribute or shut up

 

[Simon Says]

Disregard te first and last sentence. Everything in the middle is accurate.

Do they call you Viper in the CRJ or is that your Microsoft call sign? You must be so good that ASE wouldn't be a problem for ya. No brief, just another mid-west airport for you.

 

[Simon Says]

Disregard te first and last sentence. Everything in the middle is accurate.

HOLD ON! You fly the C-130. Carry on VIPER, and tell Iceman and Mavrick to cool it.

 

[USC328]

Blesko,

As a previous SKYW ASE CA, we are not allowed to discuss our procedures outside the company. Good luck finding what you need. Sorry we can't help you.

 

[fischman]

I fly for a fractional and go into ASE all the time. We are not authorized to go there at night, and I honestly would NOT recommend it.

I operate a Citation that climbs well with a Hershey bar wing. I couldn't imagine doing it in an underpowered, stubby, swept-back wing CRJ at night.

 

[USC328]

I couldn't imagine doing it in an underpowered, stubby, swept-back wing CRJ at night.

CRJ as in CRJ200, yes, underpowered. The CRJ 700 however is not. I have gone to dinner with the tower controllers and they said we were one of the the best performing airplanes operating out of ASE. They said they regularly see corporate guys not making the climb gradients on departure.