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This can't be good for US Airways!



Posted on Tue, Oct. 28, 2003

Southwest to start Philadelphia flights
By Bob Fernandez and Tom Belden
Inquirer Staff Writers

In a surprise move, Southwest Airlines - the nation's largest discount air carrier - is expected to announce today that it will begin scheduled service at Philadelphia International Airport in May, according to top airport officials.

The entry by Southwest, with initially about 40 daily flights, almost guarantees that airline passengers long in the grip of high fares in Philadelphia will see a sharp fall in the price of flights to cities Southwest serves.

The move also will likely threaten financially ailing US Airways by drawing business from it and forcing it to lower some fares. The airline, one of the region's largest employers, with 5,500 workers, provides service to 58 percent of the passenger traffic here.

City Aviation Director Charles J. Isdell, 53, called the addition of Southwest the biggest change in the airport "in my lifetime," and said it likely would lead to vastly more people in the region flying.

Southwest's fares often attract people who otherwise might drive to their destination or not travel at all, experts say. When Southwest started service from Baltimore a decade ago, for example, passenger traffic went up by 300 percent to 800 percent on routes that had only non-discount service before.

A low-fare strategy has made Southwest - somewhat of a Wal-Mart of the skies - the second-largest airline in the nation, behind Delta, in number of passengers carried and the fifth-largest measured by annual revenue.

City officials plan to hold a news conference today at the airport, where Southwest chairman Herbert D. Kelleher is scheduled to announce Southwest's plans. The airline, however, is not expected to disclose today the routes it will initially fly. Those details are likely to be released in December, airport officials said yesterday.

The announcement is being made in the last days of a contentious mayoral race, and is likely to be touted as an example of Mayor Street's efforts to expand the city's economy. He is in a close reelection campaign against Republican Sam Katz, who has criticized Street as lacking an ability to schmooze with businessmen and bring companies to the city.

Southwest would not comment yesterday on its plans for Philadelphia.

An aggressive push by Southwest into Philadelphia is likely to spell hardship for US Airways, an airline with strong market positions on the East Coast but high costs. US Airways' operating costs per passenger mile flown are 60 percent higher than Southwest's. US Airways also has reported huge financial losses since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, and has eliminated almost one-third of its workforce nationwide.

"We are always concerned about US Airways in terms of their viability," Isdell said. But "even if we did not want [Southwest] to come in, to protect US Airways, we have no legal right to stop them."

Southwest's move comes as a surprise for two reasons.

The airline usually does not try to compete in airports that are entrenched hubs of other major carriers, as Philadelphia's is.

In addition, Kelleher had downplayed the likelihood of the airline coming to Philadelphia in an interview with The Inquirer seven months ago. He said that the airport was congested and that such an addition could throw a wrench in its on-time performance, a source of pride with the airline.

Philadelphia, like many other cities, had made repeated overtures to Southwest, imploring it to start service. But this summer, the Dallas-based company began talking secretly with Philadelphia officials after gates became available in Terminal E, and those negotiations moved quickly, Isdell said yesterday.

Southwest initially will use four gates at the end of Terminal E that had been leased to American Airlines, Isdell said. American relinquished the rights to those gates in 2002, he said. "That's almost a windfall of gate capacity we didn't know we were going to have," he said.

Southwest normally uses each of its airport gates for eight to 10 flights a day, airport chief of staff Jeff Shull said. He said there was a potential to expand the number of gates available to Southwest if the airline needed them.

Using Terminal E will enable Southwest to land one of its 737 jets, unload, board new passengers, and taxi out for takeoff, all in about 30 minutes - its standard flight turnaround at most airports. Terminal E offers the ability to accomplish that because its is near the east end of the airport, where jets usually start their takeoff roll.

Southwest, which started as a Texas intrastate airline in 1971, is highly respected in the airline business because it has perfected a way to keep operating costs low. It uses only one kind of plane, the Boeing 737, which keeps maintenance and crew-training costs down. It serves no meals and has no reserved seats, which are among the reasons it can land and take off again as quickly as it does.

About 80 percent of Southwest's employees are unionized, but it has labor contracts that make them more productive than workers at many other airlines. Ticket agents, for instance, may also load bags. Flight attendants clean aircraft cabins between trips, while other major carriers have other employees or contractors do it.

Kelleher, a native of Haddon Heights and a lawyer by training, said in the interview in April that he considered the foundation of Southwest to be treating employees and customers alike with respect.

"It's the people's airline, you might say," Kelleher said. "That's why we use the signature line 'a symbol of freedom.' We wanted all our people to know that every day... they were doing something that was very important to society, enabling people to fly who otherwise couldn't afford to fly, or fly more often then they otherwise could."


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I will believe it when I see it. I could have sworn SWA avoids airports with massive delays. All the PHL ground stops and 1 hour departure lines are going to ruin their on time performance if they come.

Skeezer
 
Believe it ... it is official. The news release is out on southwest.com and the press conference has been held. This is now fact, not rumor or innuendo or the blue-skying we all love to do so much on this board!

Guess they'll be calling it the City of Brotherly LUV now :)

R
 
flywithruss said:
Guess they'll be calling it the City of Brotherly LUV now :)

Ugh, your making me gag. ;)

On a serious note, I wish them luck. I know they can fill the aircraft but I wonder what they are going to do when all the pax start misconnecting and the aircraft are hours late every day. Its a little different than their normal style so we will see what happens.

Seems to me they coud put those aircraft somewhere else and fill them up without the worries of PHL delays.

I guess we will see how they handle that first summer.

Skeezer
 
Seems the question of the day was, "Are you kidding?". Several people in the office were wondering how we are going to stay ontime at PHL too.

The company site is 'sanitized' for general internet access (the release is on Freedom Net in the office) and is only updated in the AM, but by tommorow they should have the details posted on the general net access COMAT site........http://www.ifly737.com/
 
Holly craploa!!!!! (and I'm sure Seagull said the same thing)

Hey I guessed ABE, do I get points for being close? Stick a final fork in U, we're done for, this time for good. The only thing I can say is, wait until SWA gets a load of the typical Philly workers' attitude, they don't call Philly the "fattest, most lazy city in America" for nothing. Plus I like the article in the Philly paper today where a SWA person said "they'll be able to land, taxi into E terminal, reload/refuel, push, taxi out and takeoff all within 30 min". Yeah right buddy, you can't even do a touch and go in PHL in 30 min. They'll learn, but the bottom line, NOT GOOD FOR U.
 
FlyChicaga said:
What caused the PHL delays? If in fact U does get ousted, will it open the opportunity for SWA to arrange the toys in the sandbox more to their liking? That might make things streamline much better.

U's last stand will probably be PHL. They have mostly abandoned PIT, and I think they'll hold on to PHL until the bitter end. No matter what SWA does, they can't change the fact that the main parallel runways are only 500 feet apart or so, and require either crossing an active for takeoff or to get to the gate. When the snow flies, the place approaches gridlock.

I don't know what SWA is thinking. There had to be other opportunities to expand without the massive headaches of PHL. This also violates their policy of avoiding big city congested airports. I wish them good luck, however. ATA's loads have been pretty disappointing since we moved into PHL last year.

I can't wait to see a SWA 737 trying to leave from runway 35 at kilo for the first time in order to avoid a big departure delay.

Hey Chicaga. I knew Tom Krizek in another life. Is he at Chico?
 
PHL...

If SWA can figure out how to circumvent the delays at PHL, more power to them, but flying in there and commuting through there, the airport layout is going to get them more than anything.

Sure, the E gates - great - so they can line up with the 25 airplanes all waiting to go as well. I don't think SWA is going to jump to the front of the line just for the sake of on time performance. Someone mentioned it -- Rwy 35 at Kilo - heh, I'm sure it's been discussed!

Perhaps if SWA hires its own people, they'll get off the gate on time, but that's where it ends.

Not knocking SWA (or PHL) here, just adding my .02. Interestingly enough, I think the massive delays at PHL might be the thing that saves Airways. How backwards is that?

-brew3
 
skeezer said:
... 1 hour departure lines are going to ruin their on time performance if they come....

Skeezer

Uhh....I doubt it. The only thing that can ruin their on time performance is ACARS.
 
Why is everybody so freaked about the delays though PHL....SW usually take heavy delays though BWI. It's really not gonna make that much of a difference....although I will say this.....If any of those folks from BWI transfer to PHL.....it'll be fun to see how the can screw up another city!
 
SW usually take heavy delays though BWI

Back when we had a large operation there, I never saw a delay for BWI unless it was below mins or a snow storm. Along with PIT it the best running airport in the NE.
 
SWA, no problem

Though I have only been to PHI once or twice and don't work for Southwest (but wish to) I think many of you under estimate one of the best airlines to come into this industry, ever!

I'll bet being the resourcefull company they are, and being able to do the unthinkable at times other airlines are folding, Southwest did there homework with Philly (cheesesteak). In fact this sounds just like SWA to sneak up and take over, slow and effective.

my .03.
SD
 
and what people fail to realise is that phl is one of, if not the, worst airport in the east,
poorly designed/layed out,
any puffies in the sky and everything gets backed up like crazy.
my brother pilots used to kvetch about lga being bad delay wise, but in my 2.5 years or so of flying to both of them alot, phl has by far had the greater amount/length of delays IME.

lears right about pit, it seems to be the best setup for NE congestion flying, which explains why the davel wants out of there so bad
it makes sense and CCY is incapable of makin any business decisions that make sense.
we pulled outta bwi and left it to SW, wouldn't be surprised to see U turn tail and run once again. But I really don't see how SW can possibly operate out of phl and keep any kind of on time performance #'s.
 
Ok what you guys at Airways need to do is this. Taxi slow with SW behind you. Then if you have to cross a runway do it slow if SW is on final. Finally when SW is short final behind you, why stress you brakes? Why discomfort your pax and cost Airways more money. Operate at a safe speed and make SW go around.


Stop the plague.

Next up, Walmart code share?
 
U's last stand will probably be PHL. They have mostly abandoned PIT, and I think they'll hold on to PHL until the bitter end. No matter what SWA does, they can't change the fact that the main parallel runways are only 500 feet apart or so, and require either crossing an active for takeoff or to get to the gate. When the snow flies, the place approaches gridlock.

I believe that Airways just signed on for atleast another year to remain in PIT and they are also supposebly in negotiations with the Port Authority to extend that agreement even longer... I for one will avoid SWA at all costs possible no matter what. They have and will always cater towards a certain class of people who are solely concerned about one thing and one thing only, "c o s t ".. I have and will always pay a higher price to fly on a DAL, Airways, UAL, or other airline flight versus getting stuck on SWA.. Not much different than riding in the back of a greyhound from my one and only experience on SWA. (and that was enough to last a lifetime.):D It was always funny and a tad comical when I worked for Delta in HOU and we would see the major differences between our pax and those going the SWA way. Fortunately many many others out there will continue to support the DAL, UAL, and Airways of this industry so I tend to think that they don't have too too much to be concerned about with this PHL invasion. You truly get what you pay for and I think most business people who travel weekly can easily see this and will continue to support Airways...

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Long Haul Filghts

Per SWA Insiders, SWA is going to use PHL for long haul flights only, such as PHL - SAN. This will help alleviate the SWA congestion in BWI and 30+ minute delays will have less of an impact on 5+ hour filghts.
 
350DRIVER said:
... I for one will avoid SWA at all costs possible no matter what. They have and will always cater towards a certain class of people who are solely concerned about one thing and one thing only, "c o s t ".. ...

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SWA caters to a certain class alright, and that class is made up of people who want safe, on-time transportation at reasonable rates. You mentioned HOU. I can easily remember sitting in the boarding lounge at Mueller watching half of the Texas House of Representives waiting to to get to Houston. In case my sarcasm isn't obvious, the boarding lounge happen to be a SWA boarding lounge. BTW, this occured just about ever week.

enigma
 
SWA caters to a certain class alright, and that class is made up of people who want safe, on-time transportation at reasonable rates. You mentioned HOU. I can easily remember sitting in the boarding lounge at Mueller watching half of the Texas House of Representives waiting to to get to Houston. In case my sarcasm isn't obvious, the boarding lounge happen to be a SWA boarding lounge. BTW, this occured just about ever week.


Your point being is...?? We would frequently have Johnny Bench, Evander Holyfield, etc, etc, on our DAL ATL flights .. Not really a "big deal" at all quite frankly, and you have got to be joking because at 5pm on any given friday sitting at HOU it was very clear to see the "difference" in the people goin the SWA way.:D Atleast it gave us DAL folks a giggle... You like SWA then Bless you and Ihope you continue to support them but I for one wouldn't be caught dead on them. The point being was the Airways loyal and faithful PHL pax defintely are not goin to jump ship to go SWA just to save money.

You do truly get what you pay for...:D


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The point being was the Airways loyal and faithful PHL pax defintely are not goin to jump ship to go SWA just to save money.

I wonder if those loyal and faithful were the same ones that were in Baltimore?


or maybe they just moved to Philly-
 

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