Northwest pilots blame air traffic controllers for overshooting airport

[DieselDragRacer]

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2009-12-07-northwest-pilots-blame_N.htm

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Didn't coordinate effectively with NWA dispatchers!?

My respect-o-meter for these two sinks closer to the zero peg every time they open their pie holes.

 

[Grandpa +65]

They should be suspended forever for coming up with such a LAME defense!!!

 

[ExAF]

Lawyers are Involved Now

They should be suspended forever for coming up with such a LAME defense!!!

I doubt "they" came up with this defense. Start thinking more like a lawyer than a pilot if you want to figure this stuff out.

 

[Raoul Duke]

they deserve what they got

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Cole also said in his filing that he should not be punished or his punishment should be mitigated because he relied on Cheney as the pilot in command of the aircraft to fulfill his responsibilities.

I understand the PIC has the ultimate resposbility of the AC, but geez, whatever happened to taking responsibility for your screwup and hoping somebody takes mercy on you?

It's not like Cole was a 250-hour wonder at a Regional with his head up his ass when he goes to work. At least he's not supposed to be.

 

[Kharma Police]

I wouldn't expect anything less, it's the American way, "everybody else's fault but mine".

Not only are these jerk-offs going to give the feds an excuse to listen to CVRs and put cameras in the cockpit, now ATC and Dispatchers will have to baby sit us all through the flight maybe through direct video feed!

 

[Networ-King]

I wouldn't expect anything less, it's the American way, "everybody else's fault but mine".

I hate the fact that your quote is spot on..... what a screwed up system.

Net

 

[PropPiedmont]

77 minutes....................Wow.

 

[Dizel8]

I also think it is ATCs and the dispatchers fault, I mean if they never had let this flight take off, none of this would have ever happened.

 

[pair_of_pratts]

It's the passengers fault. If they hadn't bought the tickets, none of this would have happened.

 

[JT12345]

They are doing what their attonerys' tell them to do, and they should.

I would fight just like them especially when there are ASAP violations, and confidentiality violations by the NTSB that are a threat to safety programs that have made the industry safety record what it is today.

I don't know what is going on overthere at the NTSB, but they seem to have gone nuts since the bufflo accident.

I have seen much stupider conversations on the flight deck that should not be happening like guys using their 4 stripes as a soapbox for their political views that just becomes a distraction and unprofessional nonsense.

 

[no1pilot2000]

I doubt these "pilots" (and I use that term loosly) will be returning to the unfiendly skies again. I wouldn't even trust them as flight instructors. How long will they keep on passing the beer around until it gets warm? Well, another lesson learned in the airline business.

 

[Ty Webb]

They are doing what their attonerys' tell them to do, and they should.

I would fight just like them especially when there are ASAP violations, and confidentiality violations by the NTSB that are a threat to safety programs that have made the industry safety record what it is today.

Agreed. The "Emergency Revocation" order was ridiculous and over-the-top. Did any of you read it? I did.

These guys were denied due process. We still don't know what happened, and probably never will, since the FAA decided to handle it this way. Most of you guys are on here slamming them, yet no one has heard their side of the story.

 

[av8tor76]

"no side of their story" will explain their lack of situtational awareness!!...forget about the radio relay, the crewmeals, the computer stuff and the support of the pastor..NOTHING can explain NOT doing your job and looking at your screens/instruments every once in awhile to see what the frick the airplane's doing...

 

[Ty Webb]

"no side of their story" will explain their lack of situtational awareness!!...forget about the radio relay, the crewmeals, the computer stuff and the support of the pastor..NOTHING can explain NOT doing your job and looking at your screens/instruments every once in awhile to see what the frick the airplane's doing...

You don't seem to get it; the issue isn't whether or not it appears they screwed up, the issue is that they were denied due process and the ability to voice their side of the story. This isn't North Korea or Iran, and there was no need to deny these guys a hearing.

 

[rumrunner300]

You don't seem to get it; the issue isn't whether or not it appears they screwed up, the issue is that they were denied due process and the ability to voice their side of the story. This isn't North Korea or Iran, and there was no need to deny these guys a hearing.

The ARE getting a hearing so you can dispense with the "Axis of Evil" hyperbole. (www.m-w.com)

I agree with the end result of the emergency order but it would have been better to hang this a$$wipes the way they do any other jerkoff. Technically, they are getting "due process" with the NTSB hearing, albeit by a rather high standard of review.

From the report that the "captain" gave to a fellow union brother, I can understand how they got into that position, however, I can't in any way, shape, or form understand how they remained there.

Any pilot who believes that these two should ever occupy the cockpit of a commercial aircraft again should take a hard look at the standards they are applying to themselves........ then quit.

 

[phx757fo]

You know guys can run off the runway, bend/destroy A/C, kill passengers, kill pedestrians and they don't have an FAA enforcement. But these guys make a BIG MISTAKE! Let's face it they were asleep at the wheel/stick. They did NOT bent an airplane, hurt any passengers, or run out of gas. Granted they should own up to it. But the law does not work that way. I believe they should be retrained even possibly loose there jobs. But the FAA took away their way of making a living without due process. Delta removed them from the line the next day.

 

[Ty Webb]

the most judgemental pilots are not superior aviators, just magement's wet dream

The ARE getting a hearing so you can dispense with the "Axis of Evil"

No, they are not getting a hearing; they are getting to appeal an Emergency Revocation.

Appealing an Emergency Revocation is a lot different than going through an investigation and a hearing.

I would suspect that the louder one screams and rails against these guys, the younger and more inexperienced the person is that's making the noise. . . .

This case doesn't directly affect you or me, but the Emergency Revocation without a hearing is very troubling, and the repercussions from this will stink even worse.

Seems to me that the most judgemental pilots among us are not superior aviators, they are just management's wet dream, and you, my friend, are management's wettest dream.

Congratulations, pal. Karma's a bitch, hope you enjoy being married to her.:laugh:

 

[Bringupthebird]

Any pilot who believes that these two should ever occupy the cockpit of a commercial aircraft again should take a hard look at the standards they are applying to themselves........ then quit.

How much does that high horse of yours eat a day? From what you're leaving behind here in your comments, I way underestimated.