Mesaba XJ - Hiring Stats - A guise???

[CRJ_Driver]

Kit Darby's Air Inc. shows that Mesaba will have hired 368 pilots by the end of June. How can this be true?

XJ has only 500 pilots + new hires + training bubble. Even with attrition, this can't be true or is it?

Any XJers out there with some info?

 

[Andrew_VT]

If someone is going to be delving into the numbers for this answer,
could you estimate how many new hires will be in front of a August 13th class date as well?

Thanks

 

[xjhawk]

Well, as far as numbers, there is no way in the last couple months since the few furloughs returned did that many new hires come on property. But I do not have the numbers.. But the growth that the company has planned is more than what I think they can handle. Seriously, four planes a month until all the 200's are on property, come on! Oh for those who are applying.....some basic rules if you are hired...

Do not try to tell a guy who has been flying for years how to fly a VOR.

Do not complain about your reserve schedule since you have only been on reserve for a couple months. Some have been on reserve a lot longer, and on the bottom of a stagnant seniority list for years.

Oh and if you have not been around a long time, and you have something to say on the union message boards (And have not completed traininig )and you are complaining and have nothing constructive to say, just know that your name is known and not too many people like you.......

 

[SEVEN]

Kit Darby's Air Inc. shows that Mesaba will have hired 368 pilots by the end of June. How can this be true?

XJ has only 500 pilots + new hires + training bubble. Even with attrition, this can't be true or is it?

Any XJers out there with some info?

Mesaba has a hiring pool which is growing daily. As classes continue, the pool gets smaller. The 368 pilots are total pilots hired, but some of which are in a hiring pool and have not started class yet.

 

[xjlifer]

I heard a good one today...it seems some of the new hire people that got the 900 are thinking they are better than the ones in 200 class. It got so bad the instructor had to separate the kiddies.

Reminds me of the old "I fly the Boeing....epaulet's upside down crowd"

 

[Ridgeback]

Also heard that one of the boy wonders has never shot an NDB approach and had to be sent to the Frasca to learn...looks like it finally hit Mesaba...God help us!!!!!!!!

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Mmmm. Fresca. . . .

 

[A-Track]

Also heard that one of the boy wonders has never shot an NDB approach and had to be sent to the Frasca to learn...looks like it finally hit Mesaba...God help us!!!!!!!!

Dosen't really supprise me, alot of the newer cessnas and stuff don't come with ADF anymore. Do your training in all new equipment and a guy never gets the opportunity to learn any of those skills.

 

[xjhawk]

yeah, do not get on your high horse because you know NDB's better than a new hire who might not have had an opportunity to fly that many NDB's. The previous post is so totally correct. If a new pilot is in any new equipment during training, it might not have the equipment to learn to fly on a system that is on its way out anyways.......the NDB. Do you hear some old guy putting you down because you do not know how to fly a microwayve landing system.....or whatever was around way back when.

 

[jamiestrat]

I happen to be one of those 'boy-wonder' new hires who had never shot an NDB approach during my instrument training. It is a little difficult to shoot one when none of the training aircraft I flew had an ADF. Times are changing, but just because a pilot hasn't shot an NDB approach don't immediate place them into the incompetant pilot category. Turns out some of the captain upgrades in my class had never flown an RNAV approach. Would I get on their case? Of course not.

 

[prtyprtyprncss]

Don't we all complain about stinkin' NDB approaches anyway? They were supposed to be over and forgotten years ago anyway according to the training dept...(which changes staff every 6 weeks)...word now is, since they are "in the Ops Specs" we still do them...end of the day, if a guy/girl gets thru IOE they deserve a chance and a little respect...several have been cut loose during sim already.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

I thought I read a memo saying there would be NO NDB training or usage on the 900's. GPS approaches would be trained and used instead. Heck for that matter I don't plan on flying any NDB (only) approaches on the Saab either.

 

[RedDogC130]

when you are you little kids going to grow up.

 

[Rook]

when you are you little kids going to grow up.

Huh???

 

[saabtrash]

when you are you little kids going to grow up.

As soon as I stop sucking on your Mommy's tits.

 

[SplitBar]

Heck for that matter I don't plan on flying any NDB (only) approaches on the Saab either.

haha, Wanna bet? On the Saab sometimes the NDB approach is the only option. I'd love to see the Captains look when you tell him/her you refuse. Sorry Capt. but I don't do NDB approaches... would you like me to call dispatch and tell them we are diverting? Heck, I even recall a couple times in the Avro where the NDB was the only way in and it always worked out really nice. It's not rocket science flying an NDB approach.

 

[schmitty340]

Mmmm. Fresca. . . .

I didn't know the ImbracableCrunk liked Fresca...A satisfying beverage indeed!

 

[SEVEN]

If there are still NDB approaches in service in the US you should now how to fly one, especially as a professional airline pilot. If the brand new $300,000 C172 you trained in did'nt have one, then go and rent one for a few hours with an ADF and get some dual before you enter the world of professional pilots. If you can't fly an NDB approach, you should be limited to weekend flying as a hobby.

 

[Whataboutbob]

haha, Wanna bet? On the Saab sometimes the NDB approach is the only option. I'd love to see the Captains look when you tell him/her you refuse. Sorry Capt. but I don't do NDB approaches... would you like me to call dispatch and tell them we are diverting? Heck, I even recall a couple times in the Avro where the NDB was the only way in and it always worked out really nice. It's not rocket science flying an NDB approach.

Yeah they always worked out really nice because of the drift diamond, with out that they wouldn't be so nice. Im not going to knock guys for NDB's I know for a fact if I had to do one tomorrow it would look like a series of S-turns.

 

[CRJ_Driver]

Let's just call it a truce and say since XJ flies to small airports, it may be necessary to know how and fly a NDB.

At ACA/IDE, we weren't approved to fly NDBs and we also could not fly GPS. No one there (back in the day) would be proficient on NDBs..thats for sure. Though we did require NDB bearing tracking on the interview.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

flew an NDB into YXU a couple of weeks ago. No other option but a return to DTW

 

[Hulk Hogan]

.......

 

[WMUSIGPI]

Guess I should have clarified my statement.... I can and earlier this year (more than once) used NDB approaches... but has nobody ever still backed it up with a GPS overlay approach or simply put in the waypoints on the approach to help? It's actually better than just using the NDB and relying on a (now not available) drift diamond. The only restriction is the FMS can't be primary for the approach, there is no requirement to completely turn it off. Just program the thing and put it on the CDI page.... now you have the NDB displayed on the EFIS and the FMS set for a backup. It's not hard guys, despite what they said in class, the approaches are already in the database.

 

[JPAustin]

Kit Darby's Air Inc. shows that Mesaba will have hired 368 pilots by the end of June. How can this be true?

XJ has only 500 pilots + new hires + training bubble. Even with attrition, this can't be true or is it?

Any XJers out there with some info?

Kit Darby is the Enron of the airline consulting industry. He buys and sells prospective numbers.

 

[Blade Runner]

Heck for that matter I don't plan on flying any NDB (only) approaches on the Saab either.

I consider NDB's to be a case for declaring an airborne emergency.

 

[MACH-TUCK]

Who doesnt know how to fly an NDB??? Geeeeezzz

 

[MACH-TUCK]

As soon as I stop sucking on your Mommy's tits.

LMFAO

 

[saabass]

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[saabass]

Well, as far as numbers, there is no way in the last couple months since the few furloughs returned did that many new hires come on property. But I do not have the numbers.. But the growth that the company has planned is more than what I think they can handle. Seriously, four planes a month until all the 200's are on property, come on! Oh for those who are applying.....some basic rules if you are hired...

Do not try to tell a guy who has been flying for years how to fly a VOR.

Do not complain about your reserve schedule since you have only been on reserve for a couple months. Some have been on reserve a lot longer, and on the bottom of a stagnant seniority list for years.

Oh and if you have not been around a long time, and you have something to say on the union message boards (And have not completed traininig )and you are complaining and have nothing constructive to say, just know that your name is known and not too many people like you.......

Could it be BK?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I didn't know the ImbracableCrunk liked Fresca...A satisfying beverage indeed!

I bet it'd be even more refreshing from the right seat of a DC-8. . . How's SDF treatin' ya?