Warning letter?

[jetjam619]

Hey guys...need some advice.....got a CAL interview coming up....also got a warning letter in my file for attendance due to sick calls...Am I done here?
Will this screw it all up...been studying like crazy....bummed out about this.....Thanks.

 

[MCDU]

whats up with alll the sick calls?

 

[BVT94]

Hey guys...need some advice.....got a CAL interview coming up....also got a warning letter in my file for attendance due to sick calls...Am I done here?
Will this screw it all up...been studying like crazy....bummed out about this.....Thanks.

Call your Chief Pilot or whoever CO will contact when they check your refs and ask them about the sick call issue. Most likely they wont say anything due to the legal ramifications. Most previous employers won't give a bad reference even if they have grounds to do it.

 

[mamba20]

If it does stay in your file (your file does and will follow you around) then be able to explain it but put a positive shine on it. Maybe you had some health issues personally, etc etc etc but your over it now and intend on being a reliable employee for CAL. Something to that effect. Also, they may not even ask about it. I'm not sure how much info they have from your current employer at the time of your interview.

 

[jetjam619]

Thanks everyone..keep it coming.......

 

[pianoman]

Due to PRIA (pilot record improvement act), the only things your employer is legally required or allowed to give to another company is the length of service, whether you're currently employed, and any training records.

Sick calls and warning letters for attendance or even discipline should not be handed over to another company.

I know for a fact because many people at my previous company got hired at CAL with multiple attendance warning letters in their files.

CAL could ask you about it in the interview, though. I guess give whatever response you feel comfortable with.

 

[svcta]

regional "x" is not going to leave that in your file. They really can't, as I understand it. Dependability programs and the letters that go with them are just a scare tactic. Beat them at their own game. Form now on when you call in sick make it count. Stay out for a month. It's only one call.

 

[skiandsurf]

Hey guys...need some advice.....got a CAL interview coming up....also got a warning letter in my file for attendance due to sick calls...Am I done here?
Will this screw it all up...been studying like crazy....bummed out about this.....Thanks.

Be honest.....we are amongst friends here. Why all the sick calls? were you sick? was your wife or kids sick? or did you just want the weekend off for the concert or party?

Be honest with us. If it helps, I know many guys that really abused sick time and are now captains at JB, SWA and FOs at DAL, UAL and CAL.

My thought, is if you abuse sick time, and it costs the airline money, they will say whatever it takes to get rid of you.

 

[jetjam619]

The sick were were all legit w/doc notes....My 4yr old goes to daycare and brings home everything..also I had a pinched nerve that was the majority of the calls and had doc notes w/them. Went to therapy and Im better now w/no issues. I know what ur saying about abuse..I know some guys too that do that..proud to say Im not one of them....

 

[skiandsurf]

The sick were were all legit w/doc notes....My 4yr old goes to daycare and brings home everything..also I had a pinched nerve that was the majority of the calls and had doc notes w/them. Went to therapy and Im better now w/no issues. I know what ur saying about abuse..I know some guys too that do that..proud to say Im not one of them....

Then it should be no problem.

 

[Andy]

Went to therapy and Im better now w/no issues.

You may want to rephrase that. :laugh:

 

[PurpleInMEM]

If you're really worried about it have a friend or background service make an inquiry call for you and see what your company will provide to a prospective employer. None of anyone's business why the calls were made to your current company. Just have them say you're being considered for employment.

On another note, sick time is and should be used as a schedule improvement tool. At most places it is merely negotiated, paid time off. Airlines love to get emotional about it.

Call out early and often.

 

[crashpad]

Due to PRIA laws, if this information is passed on you'll be able to sue your previous scumbag outfit and retire a multi-millionaire. Good Luck and don't give it a second thought.

 

[PositiveRate]

So they gave you a "warning" letter for calling in sick too much? That seems like an awefully risky legal move on their part. Informing a potential new employer about said letter would be much more legally daring on their part. I wouldn't even give it a second thought. Good luck on the interview!

 

[AA717driver]

JetJam--STFU. Talking here can only get you in trouble.

Ski--Beat it. What are you? Management? TC

 

[Skyboy722]

Due to PRIA (pilot record improvement act), the only things your employer is legally required or allowed to give to another company is the length of service, whether you're currently employed, and any training records.

Sick calls and warning letters for attendance or even discipline should not be handed over to another company.

I know for a fact because many people at my previous company got hired at CAL with multiple attendance warning letters in their files.

CAL could ask you about it in the interview, though. I guess give whatever response you feel comfortable with.

Pianoman's right. The only thing that follows you is your employment history and your training record.

 

[svcta]

So they gave you a "warning" letter for calling in sick too much? That seems like an awefully risky legal move on their part.

Most do it, however. The FSDO that handled my last carrier basically said that rest and 'dependability' stuff were contractual issues that they didn't want to deal with.

Don't get me started.

 

[densoo]

During the furloughs one of our pilots went to Southwest. A bitter supervisor called Southwest hiring department and tried to get them not to hire him by revealing alot of supposed dirt on the pilot. The Southwest people just laughed at it and hired him.

The company was threatened with legal action which apparently would have stuck since it is apparently against the law to do this. Once the lawyers got involved, the company was not amused. The supervisor was demoted or fired, I forget which.

 

[AlbieF15]

If you're really worried about it have a friend or background service make an inquiry call for you and see what your company will provide to a prospective employer. None of anyone's business why the calls were made to your current company. Just have them say you're being considered for employment.

On another note, sick time is and should be used as a schedule improvement tool. At most places it is merely negotiated, paid time off. Airlines love to get emotional about it.

Call out early and often.

But what about all those "infomative and friendly" emails from one our ACPs on that subject?

 

[CA1900]

But what about all those "infomative and friendly" emails from one our ACPs on that subject?

Heh... sounds like CommutAir. When they started getting nasty, requiring doctor's notes for a lot of sick calls, some pilot wrote an anonymous letter to the director of safety, asking him to post it on the company site and answer it.

The original letter basically said that sick time is a cost of doing business. Our "director of safety's" response was so priceless, I saved it for posterity: "In MY opinion, sick leave or other abuse, is not a cost of doing business. Larceny is not a cost of doing business for a storeowner."

Nice, eh? He equates sick leave and "other abuse" with stealing!

And it used to be such a nice place to work...