ASA Mediator Update

[ASARJMan]

Anyone hearing anything? Post something, I mean, it's been days since anything was posted about ASA. C'mon, you can do it!

 

[ohplease!]

Anyone hearing anything? Post something, I mean, it's been days since anything was posted about ASA. C'mon, you can do it!

3 new dates late next month. The new meeting place has a nice golf course, pool, bar and a Ruths Chris steakhouse across the parking lot.

 

[asa rat]

Both sides are on "double secret probation" and the first side to leak any details loses...

 

[79%N1]

Yea, its utterly rediculous that the meetings were 20 days ago, and nobody has decided anything. I completely blame the mediator and the NMB for allowing these negotiations to drag out, and the slow pace.

 

[HelloNewman]

Yea, its utterly rediculous that the meetings were 20 days ago, and nobody has decided anything. I completely blame the mediator and the NMB for allowing these negotiations to drag out, and the slow pace.

The longer the better!!! I say mediations should continue indefinately with no release.

 

[JettBoii]

I have been sick for two weeks and don't want to go back.

 

[Sinca3]

I talked with a union negotiator yesterday and he seems to think that the NMB is awaiting DAL's exit from bankruptcy before they say anything.

 

[sweptback]

I talked with a union negotiator yesterday and he seems to think that the NMB is awaiting DAL's exit from bankruptcy before they say anything.

There's a lot of factors playing against us. Obviously DAL's bankruptcy is one, and the other is the summer travel season. I don't think we'll be released as long as either of those conditions still apply.

 

[ohplease!]

There's a lot of factors playing against us. Obviously DAL's bankruptcy is one, and the other is the summer travel season. I don't think we'll be released as long as either of those conditions still apply.

we are not going to be released....period. We'll either close the gap during the next round and finish this thing OR we'll continue to be delayed until Delta and Skywest transfer enough planes and routes to Skywest to make the ultimate demise of ASA a NON-event. Its up to our CNC/MEC to decide whether or not we're going to have jobs at ASA in the future.

 

[av8er2]

Have you all noticed how many CRJ900's are around. Look next time you are on the ramp, you will see at least 2. I have noticed up to 5. Then next time you are on the ramp look again, you will see them again.

This is way more than just 2 months ago. Something is up.

I am SICK of this stuff!

 

[JDREsquire1224]

Excellent, Smithers

 

[SLOTH]

Have you all noticed how many CRJ900's are around. Look next time you are on the ramp, you will see at least 2. I have noticed up to 5.

SkyWest just announced the opening of ATL domicile, so you'll probably see more in the future. I'm afraid that ASA's time might be limited.

 

[SSDD]

Skywest took delivery of the last 900, so you're not likely to see anymore than you saw today, now Mesa, that's a different story.

 

[Leroy Smith]

I saw six (yes, all different, all within a few minutes) last week.

Couldnt swing a dead cat without hitting a 900 or E170.

 

[jetracer5]

Well as of today Bryan LaBrecque told us there are only 7 things left to finish up mostly pay stuff. Our Alpa guy told us 3 weeks and Brian didn't give us a timeline! surprise.....lol

 

[sweptback]

Well as of today Bryan LaBrecque told us there are only 7 things left to finish up mostly pay stuff. Our Alpa guy told us 3 weeks and Brian didn't give us a timeline! surprise.....lol

The contract could be finished in an afternoon if the company was so inclined to do so.

The company will not settle until they are forced to, either by the NMB or by the crews. I don't see either happening sadly.

 

[FL990]

Its up to our CNC/MEC to decide whether or not we're going to have jobs at ASA in the future.

WRONG AGAIN!!

It is up to us as a pilot group to decide what happens. The CNC has been doing exactly what the polls have indicated that we as a pilot group want, so if you are wanting to bend over and take it up the mud hole, then you are in a minority...according to the Wilson polls. If the polls indicate a shift in our demands, then the CNC will surely represent those shifts.

That said, if the mediator does not release us soon, we as a pilot group may be forced to re-evaluate our demands and shift our focus from pay over to hard, ironclad, SCOPE! I know this is important now, but if we can't get released, we have no way of ensuring the scope...AND IT IS AN ABSOLUTE MUST>>>ABOVE EVERTHING ELSE!!

 

[Tarzan]

It is up to us as a pilot group to decide what happens. The CNC has been doing exactly what the polls have indicated that we as a pilot group want, so if you are wanting to bend over and take it up the mud hole, then you are in a minority...according to the Wilson polls. If the polls indicate a shift in our demands, then the CNC will surely represent those shifts.

The problem with the polls is that questions can be asked to elicit certain responses. The data gathered can also be manipulated. The result is a skewed assessment of pilot opinion based on how ALPA wishes the thought process to proceed.

However, I believe most of the pilot group is controlled regarding the overall situation. There are the guys that want to burn this place down over retro and others that want the enormous pay raise that would shut ASA down. However, most folks I talk with seem to have moderated and want a good scope clause to insulate against SkyWest eating ASA piece by piece in lieu of the others stipulations.

We’ve seen that management is serious when the threat of removing airplanes comes to pass. Even though it was extremely cost prohibitive to do so, SkyWest was willing to cut off its nose to spite its face. This is why we need protection from our own company first.

 

[wms]

we are not going to be released....period. We'll either close the gap during the next round and finish this thing OR we'll continue to be delayed until Delta and Skywest transfer enough planes and routes to Skywest to make the ultimate demise of ASA a NON-event. Its up to our CNC/MEC to decide whether or not we're going to have jobs at ASA in the future.

Transfer airplanes to who? Another airline without enough pilots to fly their current schedules? All regionals, including SKYW are short flight crews. The increasing demand for pilots is going to be the driving force behind improvements, not only at ASA, but industry wide. JA is a business man and knows that you can pull it over labor, but not economics. To keep current and prospective employees from taking other offers, you have to sweeten the pot. In the end capitalism will do more for us than ALPA.

 

[VeeOne]

Transfer airplanes to who? Another airline without enough pilots to fly their current schedules? All regionals, including SKYW are short flight crews. The increasing demand for pilots is going to be the driving force behind improvements, not only at ASA, but industry wide. JA is a business man and knows that you can pull it over labor, but not economics. To keep current and prospective employees from taking other offers, you have to sweeten the pot. In the end capitalism will do more for us than ALPA.

Not transferring planes because of lack of flight crews??? If we finished up a contract and prohibitted a strike, SkyWest wouldn't have any problems filling classes. They couldn't replace us all over night but they could over the next year and a half to two years. In the mean time, as our assets are transferred away, our seniority list would start moving backwards and captains would become F/O's, and so on. You think not getting a raise in 5 years is a pay cut- you haven't seen anything yet. THIS IS WHY WE NEED ONE LIST!!!

SkyWest is viewed by many to be the premier regional to work for, both in terms of pay and QOL. With the prospect of quick growth from the remains of ASA and resulting lightning quick upgrades, people from other airlines and pilots from all over the place would flock to SkyWest to fill the gap. So any sense of security over our replacement not being possible due to lack of pilots and demand is totally false.

 

[Tomct]

we are not going to be released....period. We'll either close the gap during the next round and finish this thing OR we'll continue to be delayed until Delta and Skywest transfer enough planes and routes to Skywest to make the ultimate demise of ASA a NON-event. Its up to our CNC/MEC to decide whether or not we're going to have jobs at ASA in the future.

We have already come down as far as we are going to go. It is the Companies turn to finish the closing of the gap and get this thing finished!!

 

[scarlet]

WOW the guys we voted back in are doing a great job--We have really been updated--Sounds like they are so concern with getting SKywest pilots ALPA that our contract is 2nd. and the Skywest guys have had a year.?

 

[Crash Pad]

Ok they broke me. I'll settle for current pay and scheduling... if and only if we get free flica.

 

[79%N1]

How about current company pay offer on the 700, 200 rates to match Skywest, the current improvements on QOL (Sched/reserve) AND JOB PROTECTION within Skywest, Inc.

Add in Profit bonuses, and a signing bonus.

I'll take that....

 

[AV8700]

How about current company pay offer on the 700, 200 rates to match Skywest, the current improvements on QOL (Sched/reserve) AND JOB PROTECTION within Skywest, Inc.

Add in Profit bonuses, and a signing bonus.

I'll take that....

...and what airplane do you fly?

 

[Tomct]

The problem with all this is that ASA is already "almost" the top pay in the industry on the 700. Of course that is not counting Horizon, but their flying is totally different than ours. (ie. no one is whipsawing with them). We need better pay on the 200, trip/duty rigs, QOL improvements and a HUGE signing bonus/100% retro; right along with job protection for the transfer of ASA aircraft. Then we need to move on and get on with the rest of the crap!!

 

[wms]

100% retro plus industry leading pay and work rules. It would be an embarrassment(sic) to accept anything less from the most profitable airline in a quickly recovering industry in a booming economy. If they're too greedy to recognize our contribution, then they can spend more to disolve us than to keep us a productive part of this corporation.

 

[79%N1]

...and what airplane do you fly?

Funny you ask....I fly the 700, and as I analyze it over and over, we are already (at current book) the highest paid 700 pilots in the DCI system, and second highest in the industry to Horizon. Not sure we have the grounds to demand for much more. However, the 200 rates are too low compared to the industry, so I feel they need to come up.

 

[79%N1]

100% retro plus industry leading pay and work rules. It would be an embarrassment(sic) to accept anything less from the most profitable airline in a quickly recovering industry in a booming economy. If they're too greedy to recognize our contribution, then they can spend more to disolve us than to keep us a productive part of this corporation.

wms....do you understand that in achieving all of those goals, we will have effectively spelled the end of ASA. Being owned by Skywest puts them in the drivers seat. Look around. They can and will and have transferred our planes to SKYW. They are coming to ATL, which will only ease the taking over of our last, and only, base. We need to get the QOL gains, get our pay in-line with the industry and move on. What good will achieving all the industry leading get us, except a trip to the unemployment line!?!

 

[JoeMerchant]

we are not going to be released....period. We'll either close the gap during the next round and finish this thing OR we'll continue to be delayed until Delta and Skywest transfer enough planes and routes to Skywest to make the ultimate demise of ASA a NON-event. Its up to our CNC/MEC to decide whether or not we're going to have jobs at ASA in the future.

Ohplease, you are correct, but the ALPA diehards aren't listening to you. They are sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling NAAAAANAAAANAAAA...I CANT HEAR YOU.......