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This is the guy that reamed Parker at the Senate Hearing concerning airline consolidation and the attempted takeover of Delta.




LAUTENBERG LEADS BIPARTISAN GROUP OF SENATORS TO PUSH FOR RESTORING AIRLINE EMPLOYEE PENSIONS

LETTER TO PBGC ASKS AGENCY TO CONSIDER RESTORING
US AIRWAYS EMPLOYEE PENSION PROGRAM

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Last night, United States Senator Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ), along with a bipartisan group of his colleagues, sent a letter to the head of the Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (PBGC), asking him to explore the possibility of restoring the terminated employee pension programs at U.S. Airways, in light of the airline’s substantially improved financial circumstances. The employee pension plans, which were underfunded by $4.8 billion at the time of their termination, have since been assumed by the PBGC.

By law, PBGC has the authority to take such action if a company’s financial situation is improved. Earlier this month, US Airways offered to purchase the larger Delta Airlines for some $10.2 billion, including $5 billion in cash.
“If US Airways now clearly has ability to generate considerable cash and has easy access to credit markets, the company’s ability to restore its terminated pension plans must be fully explored. This is especially true in light of the fact that PBGC regulations would permit the restored plans to be funded over a period of up to 30 years, which is an even longer funding period than airlines are afforded under the Pension Protection Act of 2006,” the lawmakers wrote.

“The Federal government shouldn’t allow a company that dumped its pension responsibilities buy another,” said Lautenberg. “US Airways should take care of its employees before taking over another airline.”

Senators Johnny Isakson (R-GA), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), and Patty Murray (D-WA) also joined Lautenberg in signing the letter.





Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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They SHOULD be required to do this. Any company should not be able to pay out executive bonuses until this is done. Period.
 
Let's hope it's not just a bunch of noise. This action would set the tone for the next few years. I can't imagine any elected official opposing this publicly.
 
Anyone who does NOT agree with this should not even be working in this indusrty.
This is the only industry that management can mismanage, misappropriate, and not be held accountable! When the sh*t hits the fan, they ask for concessions, and take away the livelihoods of the workers. I'm still perplexed how this is allowed to happen.......
 
I like this quote.........

“The Federal government shouldn’t allow a company that dumped its pension responsibilities buy another,” said Lautenberg. “US Airways should take care of its employees before taking over another airline.”




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I fully agree with your sentiments, but there are so many examples of this in other industries it isn't even worth noting...UAW is trying to make a comeback from it though...

You are 100% correct though....it is pure....unadulterated.... BS....


Anyone who does NOT agree with this should not even be working in this indusrty.
This is the only industry that management can mismanage, misappropriate, and not be held accountable! When the sh*t hits the fan, they ask for concessions, and take away the livelihoods of the workers. I'm still perplexed how this is allowed to happen.......
 
This is the guy that reamed Parker at the Senate Hearing concerning airline consolidation and the attempted takeover of Delta.

There's your answer. This isn't about what's right. It's just about politics. Somebody's giving the guy the old hand job under the table. It's just some back-door(end) deal to say "back off" US Airways. Hopefully it will work.
 
Hmmm... I've heard that before somewhere. ;)

Seriously, it's an interesting proposition:

UAir defaulted on about $5 Billion in pension money, saying it didn't have enough time to catch up and no guarantee that they would make enough money to do so.

Now they have quite a bit stashed in the bank, made $500 million (that's 10% of their total shortfall for pension obligations), and have no reason to think they won't be even MORE profitable in '07.

Additionally, the PBGC has 30 YEARS to allow them to make up for the shortfall? That's roughly 165 Million a year... or about 30% of this year's profit margin.

If they're serious about a full investigation (and I'm hearing they are), UAir is going to have some difficult times. Unfortunately, it will also play out in negotiations for CURRENT employees as well.

Can you imaging what Doug would say to ALPA if they had to start funding pensions again and the CURRENT employees weren't getting them?

OUCH!

Interesting times, indeed.
 
How might this effect other airlines who have dumped or are working to dump their pension obligations?

I would love to see Congress stand up and make the management at these companies pay...
 
Delta's precaution

How might this effect other airlines who have dumped or are working to dump their pension obligations?

Foreseeing this possibility, Delta got a clause included in its pension-dump agreement with the PBGC that prohibits future attempts to return pension responsibility to the company. Of course, no agreement is 100% safe, as they should know quite well. :mad:
 
Clauses prohibiting future attempts at PBGC returning to the table to demand payment are only as good as the companies forecast. If they start to make more than forecast, you can bet the PBGC will be back for more. Rightfully so, it's my/our money to.
 
How might this effect other airlines who have dumped or are working to dump their pension obligations?

It would make management and the bean counters work harder to hide the profits.

Seriously, the second that the newly restructured companies are able to meet their pension obligations, the PBGC ought to throw it back on their laps.
 
Hopefully Prater isn't too busy Flipping age 60 sides to miss this opportunity to put ALPAs full weight and support behind this initiative.
 
Hopefully Prater isn't too busy Flipping age 60 sides to miss this opportunity to put ALPAs full weight and support behind this initiative.


Amen.... Further....I will echo the wit of another collegue...NO EXECUTIVE BONUSES until the pension is fully restored.

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http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Blabbering about it on FI.com is not going to do anything. Tell the people that matter. Click on the above link and send a quick message to your state senators stating your feelings on the matter.

So far senators Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ), Johnny Isakson (R-GA), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), and Patty Murray (D-WA), are sponsoring a Push for Restoring Airline Employee Pensions.
 
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Blabbering about it on FI.com is not going to do anything. Tell the people that matter. Click on the above link and send a quick message to your state senators stating your feelings on the matter.

So far senators Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ), Johnny Isakson (R-GA), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), and Patty Murray (D-WA), are sponsoring a Push for Restoring Airline Employee Pensions.

If you guys decide to participate, post "Sent" to keep this thread at the top.
 
Sending.

I would like to include this thought: Didn't the UAL pilots lose their A fund after the second turn down on the loan guarantee? And then the ATSB went on to tout a profit on the program?! It allowed UAL to descimate their workers and NOT really fix anything. They've been an enabler to mgt doing these things to workers and they've done a little bit themselves it seems. Would it be proper to delicately point this out?
 
For all of those too lazy to come up with your own letter from scratch, here is a generic one that was sent to me. Feel free to copy and paste it all day long, just replace the xxxxx's with your senators last names. Feel free to modify it in any way to make it yours. Don't forget to put you name at the bottom.

Here's the link to contact your state senators again:

http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

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Dear Senator XXXXXXXX,

I wanted to bring to your attention the following Senators and their bipartisan effort. Senators Frank R. Lautenberg (D-NJ), Johnny Isakson (R-GA), Maria Cantwell (D-WA), Saxby Chambliss (R-GA), and Patty Murray (D-WA), are sponsoring a Push for Restoring Airline Employee Pensions.

I asked this question a long time ago. How does an airline that has just recently come out of bankruptcy, taken Millions from its' employees to "survive"; all of a sudden come up with BILLIONS of dollars to buy another bankrupt airline. Thank God somebody that can do something about it, is asking the same question.

It should be absolutely criminal to underfund pensions. People work their whole lives for a company expecting their pension to be there when they retire. And what, ohhh sorry we didn't contribute enough to your pension and we're bankrupt.

US Airways and other recently bankrupt airlines shouldn't be able to do any such transactions/mergers until they restore the employees wages, benefits, AND pensions to where they were before they robbed them.

Please see to it that US Airways uses its $5 BILLION dollars to restore the pensions. Please do not make the taxpayer and the PBGC pay for US Airways mismanagement.

Senator XXXXXXX, please do whatever you can to support the above mentioned Senators. And, see to it that the Push for Restoring Airline Employee Pensions is successful.

Thank you for your efforts on this important matter.

Sincerely,

XXXXXXXX
 
Hopefully all companies that have utilized the blanket of bankruptcy to dump their pension obligations (as well as those that are skirting the issue at this time) will be held accountable. The bankruptcy judges have set the precedence allowing this method to dump billions of liabilities with the stroke of a pen. Business models and reorganization plans have been structured based on the fact that they do not have to be responsible for the financial obligations that they have incurred for the pensions. It will be a huge cost for all of the airlines that have failed to pay their bills because this will now require them to provide for back pay into the funds as well as budget for the future costs. Not very lucrative prospect for the companies (past, present and future) that have used this tactic. It will be interesting to see how long this stays in the news. I believe it was a political tactic to get Parker to wave off and abort the effort.
 
unsent, with the push for 65, the old guys will have time to make some money. Young folks need a strong carrier with lots of growth potential in order to upgrade now. I would not want to hamper the airlines ability to grow. I want mine too.

Moron... I sent mine
 
Sent!

Peace.

Rekks

PS RTMCFI If all airlines had to properly fund their pensions then they are all on a level playing field, and will still be able to compete and be competitive.
 
unsent, with the push for 65, the old guys will have time to make some money. Young folks need a strong carrier with lots of growth potential in order to upgrade now. I would not want to hamper the airlines ability to grow. I want mine too.
:puke:

GMAFB
 

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