YUM! Brands hiring again??

[English]

Seems every year or so there is another opening for a Challenger FO in Irvine. Is this high turnover or an opening due to expansion?

 

[cosmotheassman]

Not sure but, I've been updating my info with them for a while and haven't heard anything.

 

[Roadie]

Have a good friend who worked at Yum about two years ago. Couldn't get outta there fast enough - said it was a horrible place to work.

Apparently things went downhill when the former CP (a good guy) retired and the company promoted one of the SNA people to head the dept. The new guy has apparently made life miserable for everyone there.

 

[2000flyer]

Seems like both CA and KY operations are going through pilot's like water over the last couple of years. Seeing ads from FO's to CP's with their company. Something is definitely wrong with this place!

$0.02
2000Flyer

 

[capt601]

It is too bad when people always assume the worst about an operation when pilots are replaced, especially when they do not have any direct knowledge of an operation. Actually, YUM! is a great place to work, and SNA has a very tight knit group that are all extremely happy with there job and working conditions, sorry Roadie! Maybe try talking to someone there before you spout out rumors or hearsay from a "friend" who was somewhere else 2 years ago.

Now, Imagine you combine three separate flight departments with three totally different philosophies of how to operate a corporate flight department and you have what YUM! was a little over two years ago. Now imagine how much pilots just love change?!?!? and now you start to see why maybe there was some turnover. Some people will join your program and others won't. Guess what, you sure don;t want to keep the ones who don't or refuse to join the program.

We were one of the first operations certified by ISBAO earlier in the year so the standards ARE high! Some people don;t want high standards I guess. and others just want to fly and go home - aka- an airline pilot.
I have been at an operation before that went through many pilots over the years and there surely was a reason for the high turnover, poor management. I left because of it. But I can tell you that this is not the case at YUM! It is as I said before just a matter of changes with all of the operations being combined and everyone adapting or not, to the new ways.

English, the last opening at YUM! SNA was 1 1/2years ago and this is a replacement for a very competent pilot we had, that decided to move somewhere else to be able to afford a house. so Cosmo, send in an updated resume and keep plugging away!
and Roadie, I would be curious who your friend is, I'll bet it is someone who is now flying for JetBLue? ?!! and a previous airline pilot?

capt601

 

[Dep676]

English, the last opening at YUM! SNA was 1 1/2years ago and this is a replacement for a very competent pilot we had, that decided to move somewhere else to be able to afford a house. so Cosmo, send in an updated resume and keep plugging away!capt601

Are you saying that YUM doesn't pay well? They decided to move to be able to afford a house. Something doesn't add up here.

 

[capt601]

at or above nbaa salary. and let's see the median housing price in orange county last month was I believe 450,000-500,000. So make what you want from it. I think a person has to have a realistic expectation of what they can afford on a FO salary. no, you cannot buy a house in newport beach or even laguna, but you can afford a condo or townhouse if you really want one in most other places in the county. The FO's in our SDF or ADS campus can easily afford a house, but than again it is not southern california.
You know what you are going to be paid going in to the job, so you have to know if you are going to be able to afford a house in SOCAL or not. It is the nature of the beast living here, unfortunately.

dave76, you explain to me how an FO by themself,with any company, is going to be able to afford a house in a county with the median house price so high??!! so I don't think there is anything to read into it, unless you really don;t undersatand real estate in Socal

capt601

 

[501261]

Are you saying that YUM doesn't pay well? They decided to move to be able to afford a house. Something doesn't add up here.

According to bankrate.com the median home price in Orange County is $643,600!

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You can be a Fedex MD-11 captain and still not afford it. That's why one in 4 Californians are looking at moving out of state.

 

[English]

Thanks capt601. I have a friend who is applying for the position.

How is the scheduling? Anything like what ConAgra does?

 

[reepicheep]

Thanks capt601, sounds like if you're ex-airline don't bother applying, right? You paint with a pretty broad brush.

 

[English]

According to bankrate.com the median home price in Orange County is $643,600!

You can be a Fedex MD-11 captain and still not afford it. That's why one in 4 Californians are looking at moving out of state.

Equity, baby...earn it and move on!

I'm averaging 100K per year right now on my house. It's a good market if you are already in it, but tough if buying for the first time here.

Having said that, I own a house in SoCal and don't see why pilots at YUM! can't afford it. I'm on first year and making it ok. I bought the house on my own while making small corporate jet pay. Pricey yes, but doable if you don't have any other debt.

What is NBAA average for Challenger salaries?

 

[TonyC]

You can be a Fedex MD-11 captain and still not afford it.

Sadly, that's not saying much.

 

[501261]

Equity, baby...earn it and move on!

I'm averaging 100K per year right now on my house.

Oh I hear ya!!! I take the equity out buy more. I just bought my third piece of property.

 

[Roadie]

It is too bad when people always assume the worst about an operation when pilots are replaced, especially when they do not have any direct knowledge of an operation.............Maybe try talking to someone there before you spout out rumors or hearsay from a "friend" who was somewhere else 2 years ago.

I would be curious who your friend is, I'll bet it is someone who is now flying for JetBLue? ?!! and a previous airline pilot?

capt601

Direct knowlege - came from the guy who worked at Yum, a friend who I have known and flown with for many years, and no, he's not a former airline pilot, nor does he fly for JB.

 

[psysicx]

You guys and gals really need to check forecloures.There are great deals out there but people get scared if they have to bid.But the truth is you can find houses that you can afford.And a ? about yum.Do they really hire at 2500 hrs and what kind of schedule do they have?

 

[GIVDrvr]

SoCal RE

The good times have already stopped rolling in the SoCal housing market. Many parts of OC and SD are flat or down in price. In many areas the house for sale inventory has gone up five fold since last spring and that growth is accelerating. House inventory is the key to price since as a house goes unsold the likelyhood that disillusioned sellers will accept less increases dramatically. North SD county is down 10% since peaking in August. Ocean view homes on my block that sold in mere days last year sit unsold for months now even after several price reductions.
Some local agents I know think this could get much worse if the economy slows or if interest rates continue to rise which of course they will. Many buyers in SoCal are in their homes via hybrid mortgage products like 10 year interest only no money down adjustable rate mortages. With rapidly rising payments and negative equity many of these folks could just walk away from their properties like they did in 1994-1996 when real estate in this area fell 25%. Of course this is California so any dip is really just a buying opportunity long term.

 

[English]

OC and SD were overpriced to begin with. Try San Bernardino, Riverside counties - fastest growing region in the state is the Inland Empire. Home prices aren't going down there.

 

[capt601]

English, I agree, there is know reason that someone should not be able to afford a home. I think the problem with most people is coming up with the typical downpayment. Even with 3-5% for a first time buyer you are still looking at $25-50000, which is tough if you did not save up for it. Much easier to come up with $10000 to 20000 for a house in other areas of the country. I was lucky in that I moved from a house on the east coast and was able to use some of that for a downpayment. My home in just 1 year and 1 month has already increased almost $175000, and the market is still going up, (just a whole lot slower than it was before). i am sure the market will stay steady or drop, but I have planned on it. Some people sadly expect it to continue at a 20-30% pace as long as they live here.

psysicx, you are right on the foreclosures. My first place in florida was one and i did pretty good on it when I sold. The amazing thing out here that I have been watching is that the foreclosure rate is still extremely low. i believe it is much less than other areas in the country, so it is tough to find one. I think people jsut refinance and get into more debt, so maybe a few years from now I think it will catch up and there will be great deals on foreclosures out here.

Reepicheep, no that is not correct, i just think it is tough for someone who comes from an airline to adapt to a corporate operation where they have to get involved with things. I flew with a retired airline pilot in florida and he was one of the most eager learners to the charter world that I have ever come across and probably the best pilot I have flown with and learned from.

English in regards to the schedule I really do not know Conagra schedule. I think the only person I have met there is Chip their technician, their pilots do not seem to talk to others much. Personally, I think our schedule is great. We have 4 pilots and we are usually scheduled as a crewmember 1 week to a month ahead of time. I have flown both corporate and charter and am home much more than I have ever been. So much that my wife usually is asking me when my next trip is. We all usually fly about 400-450 hours per year. I think I will be doing around 70 overnights this year, but don't quote me on that as I don't have my duty log in front of me. But that includes 1 two week long international trip.A lot of the trips are to SDF and back, which adds to the flight hours rather quickly.

Roadie, i apologize for thinking your friend was at an airline now, I reread your first post and I have a good feeling who it is. As I said before change is tough on some people; and as to the former chief pilot in SDF wasn't he the one who took out the NZ2000 out of the 601-3A and put in universal and basically butchered that plane? i think many other people have a different opinion of that former chief pilot than your friend, but I never met the guy so i wouldn't know anyways.
I think all of our departments our completely different and that is what makes corporate aviation so unique and hard for some people to fit in.

 

[HMR]

The good times have already stopped rolling in the SoCal housing market. Many parts of OC and SD are flat or down in price. In many areas the house for sale inventory has gone up five fold since last spring and that growth is accelerating. House inventory is the key to price since as a house goes unsold the likelyhood that disillusioned sellers will accept less increases dramatically. North SD county is down 10% since peaking in August. Ocean view homes on my block that sold in mere days last year sit unsold for months now even after several price reductions.
Some local agents I know think this could get much worse if the economy slows or if interest rates continue to rise which of course they will. Many buyers SoCal are in their homes via hybrid mortgage products like 10 year interest only no money down adjustable rate mortages. With rapidly rising payments and negative equity many of these folks could just walk away from their properties like they did in 1994-1996 when real estate in this area fell 25%. Of course this is California so any dip is really just a buying opportunity long term.

YESSSS! I can hear myself singing the theme from The Jeffersons already... I'm movin' on up!...

 

[English]

Thanks capt601, I'll pass it along.