United looking more and more like USAIR

[MCDU]

United looking more and more like USAIR

Well it looks like the most junior pilot at United will be around 1998. That is 10 years. There will be pilots that will be furloughed the 2nd time and things are not looking so rosy.

It looks like a mirror image of what happened at USAIR. I hope United pilots get respected for their sacrifice and that you do not have to go through a merger with a startup that tells you that your 15 years are worth nothing and that your airline should have gone out of business. Its been a very frustrating time with AWA pilots and they do not seem to grasp that your DOH is not something you just give up.
Good luck to United and I hope that you prosper and do not merge with some startup outfit that tries to steal your flying and your DOH.

Marty

 

[dispatchguy]

Yeah, a friend of mine is a 11/99 DOH at UA, and is on his 2nd furlough. He's going back to the reserves...

 

[get2flyin]

Well it looks like the most junior pilot at United will be around 1998. That is 10 years. There will be pilots that will be furloughed the 2nd time and things are not looking so rosy.

It looks like a mirror image of what happened at USAIR. I hope United pilots get respected for their sacrifice and that you do not have to go through a merger with a startup that tells you that your 15 years are worth nothing and that your airline should have gone out of business. Its been a very frustrating time with AWA pilots and they do not seem to grasp that your DOH is not something you just give up.
Good luck to United and I hope that you prosper and do not merge with some startup outfit that tries to steal your flying and your DOH.

Marty

Marty, another classic flame-bait post and a new low for you. Now you're trying to get United to feel sorry for you? Weren't you trying to staple them to the bottom of your list just a few short years ago? Next, why don't you try to get them on-board with USAPA?

AWA a start-up? You really are a d-bag.

 

[Dizel8]

Its been a very frustrating time with AWA pilots and they do not seem to grasp that your DOH is not something you just give up.

Someone said it best, when he said that DOH gets you longevity, not seniority.

I am quite certain the AWA pilots have a big issue with your stance too, after all, it takes two to tango, but I suppose the AWA pilots should all just be grateful and downgrade to F/O's en masse so that you can have your CA seat.

Did you ever get your UAL 747 manual?

 

[Lampshade]

If SWA buys UA should SWA make UA furloughees SWA captains? I don't think so.

 

[reepicheep]

MCDU was probably the one who in 2000 amid usair/united merger news, posted in the PIT crew room all the United domicile/equipment combinatons with their respective junior DOH's. At the time a DOH of 1989 meant you were a junior narrowbody F/O at usair and a widebody Captain at United.

100 drooling usair pilots with their toungues hanging out; it was quite a sight...they didn't get it then and they still don't...all DOH's are not created equal.

 

[Colonel Savage]

MCDU was probably the one who in 2000 amid usair/united merger news, posted in the PIT crew room all the United domicile/equipment combinatons with their respective junior DOH's...

DOH (with fences) was the stated ALPA merger policy in effect at the time. When the USAir/UAL merger was proffered by Wolf, ALPA changed the policy to "career expectations" in leiu of DOH to accomodate the UAL MEC's concerns about the potential SLI isssues.

Fences would have blocked USAir pilots from bidding UAL bases, equipment and Capt seats already being flown by UAL pilots, and blocked USAir bases/equip from UAL pilots for a negoiated number of years (or decades in the case of Republic/NWA).

Any sort of "merged list" co-mingleing UAL/USAir pilots outside of their respective bases/equipment posted by someone in a crewroom would have been baseless (ha ha) and without merit.

By dropping DOH and citing career expectations, ALPA created a very subjective criteria to process SLI.

 

[MCDU]

This is fun.

Marty

 

[MCDU]

DOH is with fences and protections. You can not just jump over and take someones position. That concept seems pretty hard to grasp for some. No AWA pilot for example would lose his position in PHX. The Captain positions in PHX are yours, so DOH has no effect to your position. Thats why there are fences and protections. Every other employee group uses DOH. Its just the me me me crowd who think that someone that has 2 years to be placed with some one with 15 years of service. Its pathetic.

Marty

 

[motch]

Very simple...
No mergers.

Let the competition sort out who remains and who falters. If one company wants to buy another company's assets, fine.

I agree it might sound cold, but isn't that what Capitalism is all about? I wish we had a NATIONAL seniority list.. but we don't. Maybe if we had a NATIONAL airline, this wouldn't be happening either. But we don't.

I know and have friends at every Major, Cargo and LCC and it all sucks.

 

[ironspud]

I suggest a "joint declaration" of all pilot groups, regardless of union affiliaton, that no former USAir pilot (excluding ex-AWA) hired before May 2005 should ever be hired by any US airline. Kinda like the unwritten "Don't hire ex-Braniff" rule - only this time an open declaration.

Need to get this open, puss-filled sore out of our ranks.

 

[Caspian27]

Well it looks like the most junior pilot at United will be around 1998. That is 10 years. There will be pilots that will be furloughed the 2nd time and things are not looking so rosy.

It looks like a mirror image of what happened at USAIR. I hope United pilots get respected for their sacrifice and that you do not have to go through a merger with a startup that tells you that your 15 years are worth nothing and that your airline should have gone out of business. Its been a very frustrating time with AWA pilots and they do not seem to grasp that your DOH is not something you just give up.
Good luck to United and I hope that you prosper and do not merge with some startup outfit that tries to steal your flying and your DOH.

Marty

A start-up?

A start-up would be someone like Skybus or Virgin America. You could even make an argument that jetBlue is a start-up (although they've been around 9 years now...so I would tend to believe they're not considered one anymore).

But there is no way AWA could be considered a start-up when they have been around since 1983.

That's 25 years right?

How long did Skybus last?

 

[weasel_lips]

I (being a moron) suggest a "joint declaration" of all pilot groups, regardless of union affiliaton, that no former USAir pilot (excluding ex-AWA) hired before May 2005 should ever be hired by any US airline. Kinda like the unwritten "Don't hire ex-Braniff" rule - only this time an open declaration.

Need to get this open, puss-filled sore out of our ranks.

You work for Southern Air, used to work for TWA - furloughed by AA. What is your beef with USAIR?

 

[Colonel Savage]

...Kinda like the unwritten "Don't hire ex-Braniff" rule - only this time an open declaration...

Why was there a "Don't hire ex-Braniff" rule?

 

[Ameriagle]

DOH is with fences and protections. You can not just jump over and take someones position. That concept seems pretty hard to grasp for some. No AWA pilot for example would lose his position in PHX. The Captain positions in PHX are yours, so DOH has no effect to your position. Thats why there are fences and protections. Every other employee group uses DOH. Its just the me me me crowd who think that someone that has 2 years to be placed with some one with 15 years of service. Its pathetic.

Marty

What's pathetic is that you continue to waste your time posting this junk! According to you, the vast majority support USAPA's undoing of ALPA at your carrier yet you spend a large amount of your time on this board looking for support! Looks to me like YOU don't even believe your own bXllshXt!