Time in Type

[shaq]

I seem to be seeing a bunch of ads for pilot positions lately requiring 100, 500, or 1000 (etc, etc...) in type. I realize some of it is insurance driven, but even larger corporations seem to be throwing this in.

It just seems like it would be easy to get stuck in one kind of jet for a long time... Like Coca-Cola's latest ad for example or I think G200 has even mentioned that his dept. prefers this as well as Falcon Capt's.

Any thoughts guys. Please enlighten me...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

certainly not a requirement at the place I work.

Dont even need a rating in our aircraft. Everyone goes to Initial anyhow.

Hiring is very much based on personality but competitve stats include

- 4 yr degree
- prior corp/charter experience (however dont rule out airline guys!)
- a few type ratings
- maybe around 5000TT
- some PIC jet time
- inside rec's help get an interview but we have hired out of the blue.


Did I mention hiring is very much based on personality...??

 

[shaq]

O.K. G200. I've got a charming personality, quick wit, and can be very insightful when required. Now do you know of anyone looking for someone with those redeeming qualities???

Hope you don't get me wrong, just trying to figure out the odds of landing a position at a good department operating something OTHER than what I'm already typed in.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Odds are VERY GOOD - I will say - ...if...

-you are networking properly
-you are persistent (not annoying) with the calls
-you have the basics on paper (college, experience, etc)

the most overlooked:

-you are in the right area. I say it often, companies like local folks. Dont be doing the big corp pilot search from BumFuk, Iowa. They like to match a name to a face..A resume that comes from 1000 miles away gets...well...tossed. The guy who calls every few months, sends a few resumes a year, and has maybe met the Chief Pilot gets remembered...maybe gets his shot at the next interview, and if he/she sells themselves - gets his dream job.

The ones that normally want "typed and current" need a pilot NOW. They dont want to spend time/money on you etc...most Fortune _ companies aren't as concerned about this...most fill for future retirements a year ahead (if able).

They like to see ANY ratings/PIC time. That shows you can "Do It". They dont care if you have time on the GV/GIV/DA900/Global - whatever they fly. If you did....great...but its not a shoe-in by any means. A bit of PIC jet time is pretty important in my book. It shows a lot. I have not seen many people hired without it.

They aren't looking for someone to step right in and fill the seat currently being filled by the expensive contract guy, they are looking for the right, long term individual....

Good Luck in your search.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

I think if I was getting brain surgery (or some other life or death event) I would want the person who had done it the most amount of times (successfully), not the one who had the best personality.

Get real guys, time in type DOES matter. Every plane I've flown I've gotten better in with time. I know everyone wants to be on an equal footing when looking for a new gig, but if I were hiring people to fly my loved ones around, I'd look for the most qualified and then look at personality.

Ace

 

[rice]

Yeah but if you had 100 Brain Surgeons to choose from would you want the one who smelled funny and was a complete A$$ or would you like the guy who appeared to be competent and slightly less experienced but had the right attitude and similar background.

The best Doctor, Lawyer, or Pilot isn't necessarily the one who's been doing it the longest. I've seen just as many 10,000+ hour guys with their heads up their A$$ as the lower time people and often wondered how they've made it this far.
I'm sure some might say the same of me too.

I think if I was getting brain surgery (or some other life or death event) I would want the person who had done it the most amount of times (successfully), not the one who had the best personality.

Get real guys, time in type DOES matter. Every plane I've flown I've gotten better in with time. I know everyone wants to be on an equal footing when looking for a new gig, but if I were hiring people to fly my loved ones around, I'd look for the most qualified and then look at personality.

Ace

 

[shaq]

I appreciate all of the input.

From my experience in the Fortune 200 or above, the biggest horses behinds ever hired at the places I've worked had time in type... Let me tell you, it's NOT brain surgery we're talking about here. There's nothing worse than being stuck on the road with someone you can't stand. I can only imagine what it would be like flying internationaly with one of these gems.

Thanks guys. If anyone hears of something in the MidWest I'm all ears...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I think if I was getting brain surgery (or some other life or death event) I would want the person who had done it the most amount of times (successfully), not the one who had the best personality.

Get real guys, time in type DOES matter. Every plane I've flown I've gotten better in with time. I know everyone wants to be on an equal footing when looking for a new gig, but if I were hiring people to fly my loved ones around, I'd look for the most qualified and then look at personality.

Ace

Qualified is not the question.
Top companies have no problem finding qualified, safe folks - Its just a given. If you aren't qualified you wont be at the Interview..
Hence personality, trainablility (sp) and long term potential take the front seat.

Hours dont matter (after a certain point) and "time in type" definitly does not matter to larger organizations. Everyones going to Initial, Everyones starting as a SIC. Most will also start on the companies smaller equipment - if applicable.

"Time in type" certainly IS critical to the 135 operator or the one airplane smaller corp outfit. They dont have the 3 months it takes to hire someone and get them online, or the couple years it takes to trust someone as an Intl. PIC on a demanding trip... They need a current body NOW. Hence they hire by numbers, how soon avaliable, and insurablity.

 

[banned username 2]

Like Coca-Cola's latest ad for example or I think G200 has even mentioned that his dept. prefers this as well as Falcon Capt's.

Any thoughts guys. Please enlighten me...

Out of the last 6 pilots we have hired (during the last 2 1/2 years), only 3 had time in type...

 

[aeronautic1]

G200

I had never even seen a G200 on the ramp before and I got hired with some-time and initial paid for by company. It was persistance, personality and being ready for school on three days notice (no kidding).

Need a contractor for the 200, PM me. I occassionally have some time off from my job.

 

[banned username 2]

I had never even seen a G200 on the ramp before and I got hired with some-time and initial paid for by company. It was persistance, personality and being ready for school on three days notice (no kidding).

Need a contractor for the 200, PM me. I occassionally have some time off from my job.

By your post I would be concerned hiring you due to your obvious eyesight issue!

 

[semperfido]

I think if I was getting brain surgery (or some other life or death event) I would want the person who had done it the most amount of times (successfully), not the one who had the best personality.

Get real guys, time in type DOES matter. Every plane I've flown I've gotten better in with time. I know everyone wants to be on an equal footing when looking for a new gig, but if I were hiring people to fly my loved ones around, I'd look for the most qualified and then look at personality.

Ace

flyin aint brain surgery

 

[Dep676]

Just remember NASA taught a monkey how to fly. I would think that the type of person you are would be more of a concern to a company.

 

[Flywrite]

I agree that the brain surgeon analogy is a poor one. At a certain point a baseline competence is assumed, beyond that it does become an issue of how an individual will fit into the flight department culture.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I had never even seen a G200 on the ramp before and I got hired with some-time and initial paid for by company. It was persistance, personality and being ready for school on three days notice (no kidding).

Need a contractor for the 200, PM me. I occassionally have some time off from my job.

you gotta do something about the letters bro.

Sounds like a good gig for you, I just question an outfit that NEEDS someone in 3 days..??

but hey, timing helps sometimes!

 

[aeronautic1]

Flying ain't brain surgery...

Yep, me pappy flew for Continental for 34 1/2 years and before that B17-B29 instructor during the war. Growing up, he would always say, "son, you don't have to be too smart to be an airline pilot."

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

By your post I would be concerned hiring you due to your obvious eyesight issue!

OK, hands down, best post on this thread.

Ace

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

flyin aint brain surgery

This is the problem these days. No one wants to be excellent. OK is just fine. I think since we DO have peoples lives in our hands (as ilustrated by some recent high-profile accidents), what we do is as critical as any brain doc. You can always get better, I do with every hour in each type and every flight I have. Take yourselves seriously. It is brain surgery.

Ace

 

[Jack Schitt]

I am serious..........and don't call me Shirley.

 

[aeronautic1]

Surgery

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