SkyWest Pilots Promoting ALPA

[Steveair]

For those of you who would like to see ALPA at SkyWest, you have every right to promote your cause. PLEASE, however, STOP leaving pens and magazines in the flight deck and stop putting your stickers EVERYWHERE you look.

 

[flyer172r]

In their defense, there's no better way to get a pilot's attention than to put something on a sticker.

 

[Ralgha]

Turns me off their cause. Though I can't speak for anyone else, I'm probably not the only one.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Turns me off their cause. Though I can't speak for anyone else, I'm probably not the only one.

Don't you think that the topic of whether or not to vote in a union should be based on more than what you just mentioned?

 

[Ralgha]

Don't you think that the topic of whether or not to vote in a union should be based on more than what you just mentioned?

Absolutely. Do you think most people think that? If so, then they have nothing to worry about. I personally don't have that kind of faith in the general population.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Absolutely. Do you think most people think that? If so, then they have nothing to worry about. I personally don't have that kind of faith in the general population.

I only asked that, because that is what you said. "Turns me off their cause."

My concern is that the actions of probably one or a few people can ruin the greater good that might be going on. I don't want to see somebody plastering the flightdeck with stickers turn you off to what may be a good thing for you guys.

 

[Ralgha]

It does turn me off their cause. Luckily for them, that's not all I will base my decision on. However, in my opinion, the general population does not operate the same way.

Unluckily for them, I do my own research, and don't pay much attention to the crap they spew, intermixed with "non-crap" to be sure, but still containing crap.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I occaisionally find naked pictures of women in the cockpit too, but I don't let it turn me off to porn.

 

[sstearns2]

I found a window shade behind my seat the other day. Made my day, but it was only one of a pair. Anyone seen the other one?

Scott

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I found a window shade behind my seat the other day. Made my day, but it was only one of a pair. Anyone seen the other one?

Scott

That's a classic ALPA ploy too. You vote in the union, and you receive the other one in the mail.

 

[ASACAPT]

You guys should be a lot more concerned about not getting ALPA voted in than some pens and stickers left around. If you do not get ALPA on the property, the wippsaw will just continiue, and you guys will be next when JA takes your 200 away since your cost are to high.

 

[Doberman]

SteveAir,
Hey no problem.....as long as you STOP promoting 70, 90, and 150 seat flying for 50 rates. Believe it or not, that is what you are saying! Why are you soooooo scared of ALPA? You care to know why I do want a union.....because the company doesn't, and that is reason enough for me.

 

[sweptback]

SteveAir,
Hey no problem.....as long as you STOP promoting 70, 90, and 150 seat flying for 50 rates. Believe it or not, that is what you are saying! Why are you soooooo scared of ALPA? You care to know why I do want a union.....because the company doesn't, and that is reason enough for me.

Exactly. I don't care if SkyWest pilots vote in ALPA or not (although it probably would be easier if they did), as long as they have a mechanism to stand up to management and refuse to fly larger planes for 50 seat rates.

Hopefully the 900s coming to SKYW will wake some people up over there. A higher MGTOW doesn't pay your bills.

 

[LAMESAUCE]

if skyw mgmt is already screwing things up, what's alpa gonna do? you can't possibly make things worse. at least it doesn't cost skyw pilots 2% to get screwed. it's on the house.

 

[CFIT]

You guys should be a lot more concerned about not getting ALPA voted in than some pens and stickers left around. If you do not get ALPA on the property, the wippsaw will just continiue, and you guys will be next when JA takes your 200 away since your cost are to high.

You mean to say if we get ALPA on our side all our problems will just go away? So then, ALPA is like a magic fairy and can wave a magic wand and everything is just better? And ALPA will take on the evil JA and fix that too, just like it's doing at ASA?

ALPA is doing such a good job at every other shop, why not have it here too?

Wake up tool----

 

[SkyNation]

and stop signing people up at your OC site without their permission to try and show ALPA national inflated numbers.

Doberman,
the inherent adversarial relationship that you exemplify when you say 'why I do want a union.....because the company doesn't, and that is reason enough for me' is exactly what I don't want at SkyWest. I feel for any company that operates that way, but I don't feel we do and I'd hate to see what we have at SkyWest in terms of QOL, stability, total pay, etc. eroded by such a terminal management/employee relationship.

I can think of better ways to spend my 2%

 

[Peter Griffin]

Why does this debate never get old? A thread can be started on the shade of blue the lav juice is and it always seems to return to the union/non-union slandering. Sigh....

 

[phishn@daves]

and stop signing people up at your OC site without their permission to try and show ALPA national inflated numbers.

Doberman,
the inherent adversarial relationship that you exemplify when you say 'why I do want a union.....because the company doesn't, and that is reason enough for me' is exactly what I don't want at SkyWest. I feel for any company that operates that way, but I don't feel we do and I'd hate to see what we have at SkyWest in terms of QOL, stability, total pay, etc. eroded by such a terminal management/employee relationship.

I can think of better ways to spend my 2%

Hey Sky, My best friend whom I went to high school with and then flight school is a CA at Skywest and he is on the "comitee" to get ALPA on property. I think the real reason may be leverage, although I do agree with you , being a Trans States CA, that it may hurt more than help.

Skywest has been pretty good to the employees when times are good, but when times are not, it seems like the "2 yr" agreement may last longer than proposed.

I'm not sure how your "in-house" works, but I do hope you guys get to vote.

Good Luck with what happens.

 

[atlcrashpad]

ALPA may not be the best solution, but what else do you have right now? Management will continue to Whipsaw the two pilot groups. At least a union will slow that down. You must ask yourself, "Do I trust management over a union?"

 

[CFIT]

Flav-
Usually agree with most of your posts but not on this one.

I have zero trust in ALPA and very little in management.

With worth pulling in over 500K and all the problems at carriers with ALPA, how can you not?

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I'd hate to see what we have at SkyWest in terms of QOL, stability, total pay, etc. eroded by such a terminal management/employee relationship.

I can think of better ways to spend my 2%

How does that QOL and total pay compare to the way it was 4 or 5 years ago? Same, better, or worse?
How many years should it take to come up with a followup to an expired TA?
Have you given up more than 2% due to scheduling and work rule changes?

 

[USCtrojan]

Skywest

How does that QOL and total pay compare to the way it was 4 or 5 years ago? Same, better, or worse?
How many years should it take to come up with a followup to an expired TA?
Have you given up more than 2% due to scheduling and work rule changes?

Will you fly a 90 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates? Will you help stop the whipsaw between Skywest and ASA pilots? I can promise you ASA's pilots will do their part, every bit of it. Will you?

P.S. Quality of life and pay have gone up since 5 (see contract '98 vs. before) years ago at ASA. They will go up again here shortly. Sorry responding for ASA, not Skywest.

Trojan

 

[SkyNation]

good points by all. like I've said, I'm not necessarily opposed to representation.

I'm interested in RESULTS, what WORKS. I don't see another regional that is ALPA that has better results, or who has a 'system' that works better than ours. that doesn't mean ours is without problems. but if we're leading the way in total pay, QOL, growth, opportunities, and on and on, how upset can we be? I guess I'm too much of an optimist for some, but I'm happy here and wouldn't trade places with any of my counterparts at Comair, ASA, Mesa, XJet, etc.

I understand trying to make this place the best we can. The dialogue that comes from the OC does not take that tone, however. It is more of a 'we'll show them (management)' or 'wait'll we get ALPA, then we'll demand it and get it.' This adversarial relationship is something I want nothing to do with. There are better ways. Southwest has an in-house union that seems to work, I'm not against that idea but the last effort wasn't put together right.

I know SkyWest has it's problems, but I wouldn't trade them for anyone elses, ALPA or not. It sounds bragadocious, but I feel like we do a great job on most fronts, certainly compared to others when looking at the whole picture.

I know this debate will rage forever. I wish everyone luck with their efforts. I know that I speak for a lot of guys here though when I say 'don't be in too much of a rush to screw up what we have, which when you look around is better than anyone else.'

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Will you fly a 90 seat aircraft for 50 seat rates? Will you help stop the whipsaw between Skywest and ASA pilots? I can promise you ASA's pilots will do their part, every bit of it. Will you?

P.S. Quality of life and pay have gone up since 5 (see contract '98 vs. before) years ago at ASA. They will go up again here shortly. Sorry responding for ASA, not Skywest.

Trojan

Thank you,
The terminal slide our QOL has taken is mostly missed by the new hire F/Os who spew their kool aid tainted spew. 50-99 seat pay rate, PBS, forced ASE flying, and many other issues were foisted on this pilot group. For all you young relatively new F/Os, ask a few of us who were here when Jerry sent us $50 checks for Thanksgiving and Christmas, when the schedules had more than 13 days off. The QOL slide has been minding numbing, its hard to know how much it has slid, when you were not here to experience it.
PBR

 

[SkyNation]

'kool aid' refers to Jim Jones and his follwers. he was insane and convinced them to drink his poisened brew. it killed them, and he killed himself.

if we are leading the way among the regionals, how are we being 'killed?' we are actually thriving, so I don't think it's such a good anology.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

'don't be in too much of a rush to screw up what we have, which when you look around is better than anyone else.'

Well,
When Jerry had stated in the good old days, "we want to keep your compensation and QOL at the top of the industry" to "we need to be competive with mesa, cost wise" I believe our QOL has slid towards mesa and that is why a lot of the more senior guys want it to stop, and a CBA is the only way we will be able to manage our QOL slide, up or down, instead of it just happening without our consent/knowledge.
PBR

 

[atlcrashpad]

Flav-
Usually agree with most of your posts but not on this one.

I have zero trust in ALPA and very little in management.

With worth pulling in over 500K and all the problems at carriers with ALPA, how can you not?

CFIT,
I agree that the lesser of two evil's bez the way ta goes. I just think that ALPA is the lesser of the evil this time. I have ZERO trust in anyone in Management.

 

[USCtrojan]

Skywest

'kool aid' refers to Jim Jones and his follwers. he was insane and convinced them to drink his poisened brew. it killed them, and he killed himself.

if we are leading the way among the regionals, how are we being 'killed?' we are actually thriving, so I don't think it's such a good anology.

I believe Skywest is an awesome airline, and will continue to be. I believe ASA is an awesome airline and will continue to be. Our pilot groups must work together. I think we're all in agreement here. You have no binding contract, no binding language, really nothing except what Jerry gives you. Skywest pilots will be undermining our industry by flying a 90 seat jet for 50 seat rates, and are with the 70 for that matter. I mean no disrespect, but that's the truth of the matter. I understand you have it well, congratulations. I believe we have it well too, despite what you read here. Whipsaw is going on all around you with your growth. Right now, it is not on you, but I will guarantee you it will come around. We really need to work hard and smart to ensure this stops. Don't wait until it hits your doorstep, because it's harder for everyone that way. Good luck.

Trojan

 

[thebest]

Get ALPA, so skyw can be more like Mesa...It's the only answer! THEBEST

 

[ArcticFlier]

Get ALPA, so skyw can be more like Mesa...It's the only answer! THEBEST

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P.S. and I happen to like my ALPA pen.