Skywest No-Voters

[buscap]

For those of you who voted no, wether it be an actual vote or failing to pick up the phone, I would say you have all shown yourselves to be extremely shortsighted.

You said no to the very form of representation which is directly responsible for every single benefit of your chosen profession. Weakening that organization will only come back to haunt us all, wether we stay at the regional level or choose to move up to the majors.

I wonder just how many of you NO-VOTERS will say no, when it comes time to join the union at your major airline job?

Or better yet, at the job interview, will you man-up and make it clear to the pilots doing the interviewing that you voted no for a union at Skywest?

Or will you suddenly become a card carrying AFL-CIO left wing supporter of the labor movement and tell the interviewer how you were one of those who voted yes and you are leaving Skywest because ALPA didn't get on the property!!!

Somehow I think we all know the answers to these questions. I'll let you come up with your own self describing terms for your actions, as mine are not fit for print.

(This is a repost, but I realized it was off topic and quite good if I do say, so here it is again as a standalone thread. )

 

[Oakum_Boy]

But they had to keep the upgrade under a year. That must be the definition of a successful airline over in Utah.

 

[BUDDHA145]

Hey Snoopy...

do you really know about unions?? i am not saying there a bad thing to have on your side!! no is good..but belive me, I always wonder where and what my f@#$ing union dues are doing for me???

Do you thing that Hoffa was kill???

please, after realizing his creation his like:

" I am the fluk out of here" Argentina here I go!!!

 

[doug_or]

Hey Snoopy...

do you really know about unions?? i am not saying there a bad thing to have on your side!! no is good..but belive me, I always wonder where and what my f@#$ing union dues are doing for me???

Do you thing that Hoffa was kill???

please, after realizing his creation his like:

" I am the fluk out of here" Argentina here I go!!!

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[jacksjj]

Hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Lmfao!!!!!!!!!

 

[BUDDHA145]

Hahahaha!!!!!

What Can I Said...

Cervesa On Me!!!

 

[Jmoney]

What?

Hey Snoopy...

do you really know about unions?? i am not saying there a bad thing to have on your side!! no is good..but belive me, I always wonder where and what my f@#$ing union dues are doing for me???

Do you thing that Hoffa was kill???

please, after realizing his creation his like:

" I am the fluk out of here" Argentina here I go!!!

Bhudda---

Maybe you should save those dues and buy a book or two. Your English skills could use a bit if work. "Do you think that Hoffa was Kill?" WTF? You write like a retarded third-grader!

 

[BUDDHA145]

Bhudda---

Jmoney, my wife and kid share your wisdom!!!

but I am glad that I am not alone!!!

 

[bobbyice]

So a vote against ALPA is a vote against all unions? Interesting logic.

 

[buscap]

Hey Snoopy...

do you really know about unions?? i am not saying there a bad thing to have on your side!! no is good..but belive me, I always wonder where and what my f@#$ing union dues are doing for me???

Do you thing that Hoffa was kill???

please, after realizing his creation his like:

" I am the fluk out of here" Argentina here I go!!!

I have never seen a thread more successfully hijacked. You should work for Hillary!!! And I was so proud of my moment of deep thought. Now I'm laughing my butt off!!

And that's Mr. Snoopy to you, you funny little man.

Crap!! I just realized I was suckered into the hijacking!! SON OF A B*******!!!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

All your illiteracy are belong to us.

 

[Caspian27]

So a vote against ALPA is a vote against all unions? Interesting logic.

Bobby,

Unionism, more specifically ALPA-ism is religion to a lot of these regional pilots. Trying to get them to see the logic of anything else is a stretch in my opinion. All we know from these threads is that they know "better" than us. Even though they're not here. I voted yes, but I completely support those who chose to wait for what they believe is a better union situation. This is after all, a democratic capitalist society. I agree with your statement Bobby.

Additionally, while I'm open about how I voted, that is no one else's business. If it was brought up in an interview, I think that would be extremely unprofessional. To use the religion analogy again: Is it professional to ask someone's religious beliefs in an interview, and then base the decision on the answer? Same thing.

 

[SkyNation]

Caspian,

you're speaking with so much sense, intelligence and insight! probably going to be lost on this crowd.

good post

 

[JoeMerchant]

..... actually it's more like a cult than a religion.....

 

[LAMESAUCE]

UAL Pilot: "So, what did you vote the other month? Was it for ALPA or not?"
SKW Pilot: "Well, I voted for the union that got you your concessions back. And your pension. And the one that made you a dick."

Oooh......

 

[buscap]

..... actually it's more like a cult than a religion.....

Joe,

I happen to know your extreme disagreement with ALPA does not stop you from knowing we are better off with unions than we would be without. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely!!

Crap dude!! I have huge problems with how democracy is doled out in this country, but I would much rather work within that system and make it better, than try to operate outside of a democratic system.

If at it's worst the question is the lessor of evils, having ALPA on the property is a slam dunk.

And you know how those guys are going to answer the interview questions!!

But I know darn well the interview questions will never be asked. And you know I'm right about their pay and benefits being at our expense. An expense which you have paid for, more than most through your volunteerism and in the courts.

 

[Caspian27]

And you know I'm right about their pay and benefits being at our expense. An expense which you have paid for, more than most through your volunteerism and in the courts.

Buscap,

Pay and benefits are a reflection of the economics of supply and demand. Not unionism! Whether or not your company is unionized does not make recession go away or bring about a bull market. Having a union gives us a black and white contract and a bargaining representative to help us fight for better pay. But the better pay will only come if the current economic situation is able to sustain it. If many pilots are trying to get few jobs, pay will be lower. If there are many jobs and few pilots, pay will be higher.

 

[buscap]

Buscap,

Pay and benefits are a reflection of the economics of supply and demand. Not unionism! Whether or not your company is unionized does not make recession go away or bring about a bull market. Having a union gives us a black and white contract and a bargaining representative to help us fight for better pay. But the better pay will only come if the current economic situation is able to sustain it. If many pilots are trying to get few jobs, pay will be lower. If there are many jobs and few pilots, pay will be higher.

I don't agree. If market forces alone were allowed to dictate our pay and QOL, just where do you think both would be?

The last wave of backsliding would've been much worse without the unions fighting for what the guys at the majors managed to keep.

 

[Andy Neill]

For those of you who voted no, whether it be an actual vote or failing to pick up the phone,....

Sorry for the thread divergence, but this raises an interesting point. I never saw any numbers for NO votes that were cast even though union supporters said you had such an option if you called in. You would think with as many people against the union that there would have been at least ONE vote for NO if that option was really available.

Was that another credibility gap like the "pilot's wife letter" in the previous drive. You wouldn't really mislead would you?

OK, back to the previously scheduled name calling.

 

[No.W.]

You know it's funny...I'm a capitalist...I understand "market forces". But don't you think management would prefer to keep wages low...even in "short" times ? If they can keep hiring pilots AND keep wages low...that's ideal. So what keeps them from being able to attain that? Two things...a true pilot shortage AND a strong, unified voice across company lines. This is the "collective bargaining" concept in a nutshell. It doesn't always work, but it's a valid concept...and one more check or balance in the capitalist system. Capitalism works, but unrestrained capitalism is not better than unrestrained socialism. There must be balance, and the best existence will be found in the tension. As the market forces, employee desires, shareholder desires, management strategies, union strategies and other things all work with and against each other...the market grows at a solid, stable and sustainable pace. Balance is the friend of sustainable economics. A union just serves(in it's proper role) as another balancing force. Letting capitalism run free with regard to the employee is not a good idea. We saw this in the industrial revolution...and that's where unions were first formed. Even the guilds of old illustrated the need for competitors in a single field to come together to balance out other market forces. It's never as simple as some would believe, is it? Many components, working in harmony, results in a strong economy...for everyone. I believe unions, especially in industries like ours, are an important piece of that harmony.