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By Del Quentin Wilber
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 13, 2006; Page D01

John Lonneman vividly recalls the day six years ago when he was offered a job as a pilot for United Airlines.

"I felt like I was on top of the world," said Lonneman, who had dreamed of being at the controls of a jetliner since he was a boy.

Then, a few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, Lonneman was laid off-- joining thousands of pilots cast aside in the economic turmoil that struck the nation's airline industry.

Now, airlines are starting to call pilots back to work. But Lonneman isn't rushing to return. His love of flying has collided with tough realities. Most of the legacy carriers, the airlines that dominated the industry before the era of budget carriers, are struggling to make a profit or emerge from bankruptcy protection. Pilots are working longer hours and taking steep salary cuts to help keep their airlines afloat. Some are away from home for 22 days a month, up from the 15 or 16 of a few years ago.

In the four years since Lonneman was furloughed, he went back to school and started a family. He got a nursing degree and took a job at a hospital in Colorado. He said he would pass -- for now -- on United's offer to get back into the cockpit.

"I wanted to diversify my skills instead of getting back into an industry filled with uncertainty," he said, adding that he could see himself returning to a financially healthy airline in a couple of years. "Having other options is the key to surviving a career in the airline industry."

Airlines seeking to bring back some of the estimated 8,000 furloughed pilots are finding that many have concerns similar to those voiced by Lonneman. United has had to offer recalls to three to five pilots to get one to accept admission into a training class, union and airline officials say. Delta Air Lines, which announced a recall last month of 60 to 70 furloughed pilots, would not disclose the ratio of offers to acceptances. Delta pilots and union officials say the ratio is three offers for every acceptance.

American Airlines, US Airways and Northwest Airlines also have pilots on furlough. They have not mentioned immediate plans to begin recalling any. Analysts predict that those airlines will have to begin rehiring in the next year or so to meet growing passenger demand and replace retiring pilots.

Union and airline officials say they are not surprised by the pilots' hesitance to return. In fact, union groups and employment consultants are urging pilots to resist the offers -- for now.

"Pilots watch the news, too," said Duane E. Woerth, president of the Air Line Pilots Association. "Every single time there is some international incident, oil jumps five bucks a barrel. The pilot thinks: 'I just relocated my family once, and I'm going to have to relocate them again, and some unknown event will happen. Some airline will panic and furlough me again.' They just don't want to get caught in that whipsaw."

Almost everything in the pilot world is based on seniority. The best routes, planes and schedules go to pilots who have been with an airline the longest. Under union rules, recalls are offered first to pilots who have been with the airline the longest.

Pilots generally can bypass being recalled one time. By declining the recall, they get more time to evaluate how their airline is doing and allow less senior pilots to be hired instead. Junior pilots are more vulnerable to future layoffs and will be assigned less desirable schedules and routes. When the more senior pilots return, they leapfrog ahead of the junior aviators.

Airlines also are confronted with trying to lure furloughed pilots away from other aviation jobs. Some pilots are flying private jets for corporations or working for low-cost and regional carriers, which have not been as hard hit as their legacy counterparts. A growing number of laid-off pilots are hooking up with airlines in Asia, the Middle East and South America, where there are intense pilot shortages and the pay is often better than in the United States. Others joined the military.

Some, like Milind Limaye, simply left the business.

Limaye was laid off by American Airlines in 2003. He didn't see much of a future in waiting for a recall notice. So he went back to college and has just completed his first year of medical school.

"The industry was basically in shambles, so I decided to do something different," Limaye said. "I wouldn't go back. I only fly for pleasure now, but even that is difficult at four bucks a gallon for fuel."

Andrew Miller, a United pilot who was furloughed in early 2002, said losing his job steered him into a better situation. He has since become an executive at AXA Advisors LLC, a financial consulting firm.

On Monday, Miller got his recall notice in the mail. He said he was going to pass on this chance to return. He swears he will never go back, but he admits that he hasn't resigned or taken his name off the list.

He and industry observers say the true test of whether pilots abandon their old airlines will come when they get a final shot to return. Many pilots fulfilled their childhood dreams of working for a major airline by spending thousands of dollars on required training and education. Most spent years leapfrogging from regional and commuter carriers to the big leagues.

"It's sentimental," Miller said, describing how difficult it has been to withdraw his name because he knew he wanted to pilot jets since he was a youngster flying back and forth to visit divorced parents.

"A lot of this boils down to emotion," he said. "It's something I wanted to do for so long."

Randy Ott, the son of a Northwest Airlines pilot, was furloughed by United in 2003. He flew for a charter company and in South America, where pilots are "treated like royalty," he said. "It was like being a Pan Am pilot in the 1960s."

When he got a recall notice in December, he said, he agonized over the decision to return.

In the end, despite United's problems and a steep pay cut, Ott said he couldn't resist getting behind the controls of a 767.

"I've been a true-blue airline guy since Day One," he said. "I'm holding on that this gets better. This industry has always had its ups and downs."
 
I got a buddy that got furloughed and recalled twice to a National he wanted to work at most of his career. He aint going back.

Don't worry, the shiny jet crowd will move up into those jobs just like a bunch of undocumented workers scrambling to get to the lettuce.

Rumor has it, the next downturn will occur without a recovery from the current downturn.

I got low expectations, so I'll be where I am no matter what...smiling like hungry big dog with a turd on his plate. Pass the gravy, please.
 
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FN FAL said:
I got a buddy that got furloughed and recalled twice to a National he wanted to work at most of his career. He aint going back.

Don't worry, the shiny jet crowd will move up into those jobs just like a bunch of undocumented workers and do that job.

Rumor has it, the next downturn will occur without a recovery from the current downturn.

I got low expectations, so I'll be where I am no matter what...smiling like hungry big dog with a turd on his plate. Pass the gravy, please.

Maybe I'll go back to college. At my age my son and I might be there together, I have a feeling it won't be like that Rodney Dangerfield movie were he rents out the top floor of the dorms and turns it into a penthouse. With me it will be more like me "son can I crash on your dorm floor tonight?"

Maybe we could find a good deal on a used doublewide to share!
 
UEJ500 said:
Maybe I'll go back to college. At my age my son and I might be there together, I have a feeling it won't be like that Rodney Dangerfield movie were he rents out the top floor of the dorms and turns it into a penthouse. With me it will be more like me "son can I crash on your dorm floor tonight?"

Maybe we could find a good deal on a used doublewide to share!

My sentiments exactly!
 
People will continue to fly, and it is projected that the total of passengers per year flying domestically alone will reach 1 billion by 2010 or 2011. There will be plenty of passengers, but the real question will be "what will our jobs be like then?" Who knows?


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
I'm waiting for Yip to chime in.
 
GogglesPisano said:
I'm waiting for Yip to chime in.

You mean about the age 60 deal? There is NO WAY I would vote yes to anything extending the retirement age. Way too dangerous.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
There is NO WAY I would vote yes to anything...


Oh, this is rich! Forgive me if I take a wait-and-see stance on you sticking to your convictions. Not that you owe me or anyone else any explanation, but seriously, how can you even type this? Unless I'm completely missing your sarcasm.
 
SWAlifter said:
He got a nursing degree and took a job at a hospital in Colorado.

Are you sure his name is not Gaylord Focker?

Just joking guys and gals....trying to make a joke...hahaha
 
[/quote]Randy Ott, the son of a Northwest Airlines pilot, was furloughed by United in 2003. He flew for a charter company and in South America, where pilots are "treated like royalty," he said. "It was like being a Pan Am pilot in the 1960s."

When he got a recall notice in December, he said, he agonized over the decision to return.

In the end, despite United's problems and a steep pay cut, Ott said he couldn't resist getting behind the controls of a 767.

"I've been a true-blue airline guy since Day One," he said. "I'm holding on that this gets better. This industry has always had its ups and downs."[/quote]

Hmmm, sounds like fun... Any ideas which SA company this is?
 

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