Poor Statement

[jetbluedog]

Saw this in another category. It is from today's Chicago Tribune. HOW MANY OF YOU BIG WIG CORP. PILOTS WOULD MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THIS???

"But Dave Kampa, a pilot and president of Denver Air, a charter aircraft referral service, said the Challenger's engines were so powerful it could have taken off even with icy wings.

"The extra weight of ice and snow shouldn't have made a difference; it should have been able to bully its way through," Kampa said. "It looks like the plane aborted takeoff. Something mechanical probably happened, and they figured it was better to stay on the ground."

Wow.
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God help me if I am ever employed by a screwed-up, arrogant, hot-head like Kampa!

 

[Ted Striker]

Saw this in another category. It is from today's Chicago Tribune. HOW MANY OF YOU BIG WIG CORP. PILOTS WOULD MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THIS???

"But Dave Kampa, a pilot and president of Denver Air, a charter aircraft referral service, said the Challenger's engines were so powerful it could have taken off even with icy wings.

"The extra weight of ice and snow shouldn't have made a difference; it should have been able to bully its way through," Kampa said. "It looks like the plane aborted takeoff. Something mechanical probably happened, and they figured it was better to stay on the ground."

Wow.
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God help me if I am ever employed by a screwed-up, arrogant, hot-head like Kampa!

What a moron. Wow. The FAA should look into this guy's operations. I guess he missed the day in school about snow/ice/frost disrupting airflow-not just adding weight. Toolbox.

 

[Flying Illini]

Note to self...avoid flying with or near Dave Kampa...

 

[leardrivr]

Note to self...avoid flying with or near Dave Kampa...

No doubt! What a jerk. I have run into to many of his kind over the years. I bet the crew tried a high speed reject and it did'nt work out. I find it hard to believe a professional crew would buy this aholes line about having enough power to fly with ice all over the airplane. A Lear 23 can weigh as little as 8800lbs at takeoff with 5700lbs of thrust coming out of the back end. It won't power out of chit when it is covered in ice and snow! I hope no one has bought into this guy's crap!

 

[Flywrite]

Something about this guy's comment, and the fact that a major paper published it rubbed me the wrong way so in my boredom I decided to search the FAA Airmen Registry to see what kind of "pilot" he is. Guess what...no "Kampa" with the first or middle name "David" is listed in the US.

A brief interet search for "Denver Air" didnt turn up any "charter referral service" either...

Methinks the Tribune has been had.

Anyway...the guy is obviously a tool.

 

[Huggyu2]

I, too, searched the internet. The article I saw spelled it "Kempa". I found a "David Kempa" on the landings.com database. He lives in Evergreen, CO and his record only lists flight instructor ratings. Same guy????

 

[Flywrite]

Maybe he's not on the FAA site because they already took his certificate??


Anyway, I sent an e-mail to the Tribune editor commenting on this ignorant-a$$ quote.

 

[Flywrite]

I tried again with "Kempa" and sure enough there is a David in Evergreen, CO with a Commercial AMEL, ASEL Instrument.


If this is the guy then so much for the theory that getting a certificate means you're not a dumba$$. If it's someone different than I apologise Mr Kempa.

 

[flyer172r]

And we wonder why aviation is so misunderstood by the general public. Unfortunately I think the damage is already done, a lot more people read the stories than read the letters.

 

[Daveman]

Show this to Kempa and the Chicago Tribune.



http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/groups/dft_avsafety/documents/source/dft_avsafety_source_030576.doc

 

[jetbluedog]

YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT!!

It is Kempa with an "e"

Here's a link to his company and email address. Write him and let him know what you think, dam it! (Bottom of webpage)

http://www.airden.com/contact.html

 

[Quimby]

Yeah, it is Kempa....not Kampa......my bad .....I posted this on the General Section......sorry about the typo

 

[501261]

YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT!!

It is Kempa with an "e"

Here's a link to his company and email address. Write him and let him know what you think, dam it! (Bottom of webpage)

http://www.airden.com/contact.html

That’s scary; I think we really need to regulate this “charter broker” industry. I mean look, this guy’s got a nice website. If I were Joe Public, and looking to charter and saw this guy on the internet, I’d think he was a reputable charter operator, not an idiot!

 

[Lead Sled]

I tried again with "Kempa" and sure enough there is a David in Evergreen, CO with a Commercial AMEL, ASEL Instrument. If this is the guy then so much for the theory that getting a certificate means you're not a dumba$$. If it's someone different than I apologise Mr Kempa.

No need to apologise to our "friend" Mr. Kempa. He's only got a Commercial AMEL, ASEL, and Instrument - no type ratings. His 2nd class medical was issued in May, 1998. You do the math, how long has it been since his medical expired? Yup, just the highly qualified and experienced jet captain we need to represent our industry to the press. Some guys have to get their 15 minutes of fame 30 seconds at a time. What a flaming jerk.

'Sled

Notice: The preceding was the mindless rantings of a poor misguided soul.

 

[Corona]

"The extra weight of ice and snow shouldn't have made a difference; it should have been able to bully its way through," Kampa said.

Aerodynamic flow is highly susceptible to bullying. In fact, if I fly an airplane that is too heavy for the runway available, I just bully through the overrun, approach lights and onto the nearby f-ing highway so I can get in the air. I mean, who's going to stop me?

Bullying's got a lot of bad press lately, what with the Columbine High School shootings and all. It just needs to be taken in the right context.

I looked at the website run by the dood. It reminds me of the web site Homer set up during a Simpson's episode. What was that called? SuperHyperInterglobalCompuDyne or something?

C

 

[Flying Illini]

Notice: The preceding was the mindless rantings of a poor misguided soul.

Not as mindless and misguided as our "friend" Mr. Kempa...

It's people like him that force the rest of us to explain the truth.
Pax: Why can't we just go? Do we really need to sit here and wait to be de-iced? Aren't our engines strong enough for us to power through the ice? I read in the paper..."
Us: <thinking> Dam you Kempa! Now I have to try and explain aerodynamics in a sentence or two without making the pax feel like an idiot for believing what they read in the paper.
...or something along those lines.

 

[Flying Illini]

"Calculator" is spelled wrong on his site (the page that comes up when you click the posted link.
I don't know that I would trust a company to operate aircraft safely if they have spelling mistakes on their website (the tool that is supposed to attract customers)...who knows what other mistakes they may make.

 

[100-1/2]

Some brokers are tools. The ones with some sort of flying background are the worst. Some of my best broker customers are actually clueless compared to the "educated" broker population that for one reason or another bagged on pro-flying careers. Maybe, cause, THEY SUCKED AT IT!

Any, who. It is interesting everyone is focusing on this de-ice neglect. Anyone know if the aircraft was safely tucked in a warm hangar prior to loading and departure? Giant, Room temperature aircraft in 30+/- Celsius falling snow. Good for atleast 15-20 minutes AND/OR Pre-Takeoff Contamination Check? No? How heavy was the snow falling?

I don't recommend this, but I can neither confirm nor deny that this infact occurred while I was onboard an aircraft either as passenger or other wise to witness a very interesting phenomenon...

(unknown persons/location(s)) A certain snow falls very light and fluffy in such a way that you would expect accumulations on horizontal(wings, back, tail, nose) surfaces to "blow" off of these surfaces as forward momentum increases airflow on perpetual takeoff. However, what you will find is the snow becomes compact aft of the leading edges and in effect "reshapes" the top surface of the wing. The forward portions are compacted by the boundary layer airflow, while the snow surface toward the rear will remain "rough". Deflecting control surfaces downward will enable gravity to remove the snow from those portions leaving a nice cliff like formation on the rear of the wing to further disrupt the 'smooth' airflow over the wing. Remember, lift is created by the top particles 'rushing' over the wing to meet the particles traveling on the bottom of the wing in the relatively same place they both began before this wing came along and nailed them in the arse. Aerodynamics 101. Ever wondered why sometimes, no matter how fast you drive your car, that snow on the roof and hood you were too, lazy/cold to sweep off is still there when you get to the Piggly Wiggly for the 1/2 price Egg Nogg special? Nearly identical concept.

Spend the $30 per gallon for deice or put the plane in the hangar. Don't screw with the air flow particles or they will screw with you.

Click-It or Ticket! Seat belts are the law. On the road and on the runway. Flight Attendants, too!. It is unfortunate the demise of the pilot and we pray the CoPilot comes through. That is the nature of the business, planes usually crash cockpit first. I speculate the FA was not seat belted and all evidence indicates the 14 yr old too, was unbuckled. I can not even attempt empathy for the family and loss of a child in these conditions, wouldof, couldof, shouldof "told him to put it on." Belts and seats are designed for survivability, Sioux City and UAL proved that with an DC-10 some years ago. Without the FA, Captain and an out-of-commissioned FO, there was no one left to direct evacuation. This could have turned out much worse. Thank God for a quick thinking young and apt individual (21yr old son) heroicly taking advantage of the seperated fuselage to extracate, evacuate his father and return in search of his brother. The trauma that man will carry for the rest of his life unable to save his brother lying unknowlingly beneath the wreckage. I pray healing for him comes quickly.

100-1/2

 

[G100driver]

Saw this in another category. It is from today's Chicago Tribune. HOW MANY OF YOU BIG WIG CORP. PILOTS WOULD MAKE A STATEMENT LIKE THIS???

"But Dave Kampa, a pilot and president of Denver Air, a charter aircraft referral service, .....






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God help me if I am ever employed by a screwed-up, arrogant, hot-head like Kampa!

Aircraft charter brokers are the new scumbags of the industry. Sentient, Blue Star, David Kempa and the like are dirtbags.


They own nothing, the are liable for nothing, and are responsible for nothing. They do not even have a charter certificate. The only thing that they own is a phone book that they use to represent themselves as a chater company. They then call charter companies, beat them down on price for the promise of increased business, and charge Jonny Q the same price, or more that they would pay if the dealt with the charter company themselves.

If you want to see the charter industry get any worse, just start flying for these dirtbags. Next time you ask for a raise and hear the proverbal .... "I would love to, but times are tough ....." ask your D.O. how much in margins they gave away to these guys.

Keep our business professional, just say no to dirt bags.

 

[fogrunner]

I will probably be flamed for this, but oh well.

When I was a new-hire Captain at one of the large fractionals. I was talking with one of the Snr Challenger Capts about de-icing. My previous background had been with the regionals and I was asking this guy about how to co-ordinate de-icing with an FBO. He actually said, "we don't de-ice as much as the airlines do, it makes the airplanes dirty, and the customers get annoyed for having been delayed". Hmmmmm...