Phantom RJ's

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captainv,

I believe Delta is offering a contract to operate RJ's not necesarily CRJ's. If CHQ, TSA or any other ERJ operator were given the contract, than they would most likely operate the ERJ, rather than start with a new aircraft type.

Delta has slots for CRJ's. If they don't use them, they can sell them for a tidy profit to help pad the bottom line.

 

[cl-65link]

According to a Local Memphis periodical (Can't remember if it was the Commercial Appeal or the Memphis Business Journal) Pinnacle is gonna have an IPO in 30 days. The article mentioned that NWA would use the money from the IPO to fund the retirement fund and (I think I read this correctly) will not hold any stock in Pinnacle. Pinnacle and NWA will continue their current agreement for service until 2013 (I think thats the correct year) but Pinnacle would be allowed to seek additional aircraft for other codeshares.

The Pinnacle IPO is in a few days, and as far as flying for other airlines, we would be limited to aircraft less than 60 seats or less than 70k lbs MTOW(page 59 of IPO). I can't seem to find the year when Pinnacle can start seeking other code shares. The IPO prospectus is 129 pages long and it's like reading the FAR's, and it's getting late.

 

[dondk]

The Pinnacle IPO is in a few days, and as far as flying for other airlines, we would be limited to aircraft less than 60 seats or less than 70k lbs MTOW(page 59 of IPO). I can't seem to find the year when Pinnacle can start seeking other code shares. The IPO prospectus is 129 pages long and it's like reading the FAR's, and it's getting late.

The agreement is until 2017, as for us "farming" ourselves out... Besides the above there is a list of other qualifiers that could make it really prohibitive.

While I cannot find the date on the lastest prospectus.. I sort of vaguely remember 2008 or 2010 as the EARLIEST we could consider a new codeshare or operation independant of Northwest.

Personally, If NWA is not getting a piece of the pie, I doubt we will ever fly something other than the "red tail"

 

[FurloughedAgain]

but then someone in my recurrent class mentioned that DCI could sell the CL-65s and convert them to ERJ orders at CHQ....

Absolutely. Orders, options, delivery positions can ALL be sold.

Chautauqua also, incidentally, is owned by Wexford Management. Wexford also owns the Solitaire leasing group in Europe which (coincidentally) has literally HUNDREDS of orders, options, and delivery positions for EMB 145 series and EMB170 series.

Any guesses where the majority of those airplanes are expected to go?

There are an awful lot of people who are concerned that Mesa may be a new DCI partner. My opinion is that the fox is already in the henhouse. They are Chautauqua and, if you hadn't noticed, they are the DCI equivilent of Mesa ... and every bit as dangerous to our careers.

 

[Cracker]

Those Chautauqua bastards!

 

[RichO]

Looks like its a close call between the unpronouncible Chat guys and the west coast whores, skywest.......

 

[BRA]

I'll put in a vote for colgan. That should up the PFT to 40K per person.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

pilots

This is not about the individual Chautauqua pilots.

I obviously do not subscribe to the theory that the pilots are single handedly trying to destroy Comair/ASA.

This is about their company and, for better or for worse, our management using them to whipsaw everyone in the DCI portfolio -- especially the wholly-owneds.

The sooner we realize that this is not about pilots, but rather about management -- the sooner we can start to work together to STOP the lowering of the bar.

We're all being threatened by management with potential outsourcing.

Mesa was threatened with outsourcing flying to Freedom.
Chautauqua was threatened with outsourcing flying to Republic.
Comair/ASA is threatened with transfering flying to Chautauqua.
Delta is threatened with outsourcing flying to Comair/ASA.

Management's one big ACME bomb is job security. We will fight each other to the death for growth and job security -- they know it.

So yes, your company represents a very real danger to what remains of my career. I don't blame you individually.

This isn't about pilots. This is about the whipsaw.

 

[OOramperpilot]

Looks like its a close call between the unpronouncible Chat guys and the west coast whores, skywest.......

RichO, get over yourself. What a tool!

 

[OldManPilot]

So, is whipsawing the "PC" term these days?

We used to call it competition.

Regionals will always compete for flying. WO's still seem to think they are born with the right to fly all the routes.

Many Regional airlines not owned by the major airlines have been around longer than the WO carriers themselves.

 

[blott]

My vote is CHQ.

5 captain upgrades in the last month to MCO alone, not to mention all the other bases. Talks of 2 classes a month for a LONG time. Talks of 2 planes a month for a LONG time. BOS probably reopening as a base for delta aircraft (DFW also?)....

BB (ceo) just got back from a somewhere(Brasil?) for aircraft financing, etc.

NO 170's(or larger) for CHQ, they will be flown under Republic ticket(CHQ pilot list though).(chq will only operate one aircraft type for obvious reasons-money)

Hiring is at full speed, I was at the training dept. three weeks ago, one building totally full, building next to it full, with my upgrade class held in the hangar classrooms-no space left.

for what it's worth....

B

 

[Palerider957]

Awwww...wonderful, the Kmart of the regionals is gearing up for an onslaught.

In a few years all domestic flying with be done by a Mesa/Chihuahua hydra, with 24 year old Captains making $15.00/hr.

International flying will be a handful of pilots who survived (but lost) the Mesa/CHQ hoards.........


......"It's a lovely fuc.kin war"

 

[blott]

I'm 31 making $57/hr....

how about you?

(want me to walk one in for ya?)

B

 

[OldManPilot]

Notice the jealous always make the loudest stink.

Yes, CHQ is making money. Yes, their pilots new contract puts them far from the bottom in pay.

You complain and complain. If your company is doing so bad, you should take "blott" up on his offer to walk a resume in for you!

 

[Palerider957]

Dam.n...I may need you to walk in a resume to the Mesa/CHQ behemoth. After the older regionals have been so undercut, underbid, work rules erroded, that life is no longer tolerable.

JO will be President. Regional/National pilots who have struggled so hard to improve their contracts, only to see them cut from beneath them--will either change careers (again!) or suck it up.

None of us are going anywhere, the majors aren't going to hire anyone of us anytime soon. When they do hire it will almost certainly be old squadron buddies, not nickel and dime regional pilots.

All of us have to realize that or current position is likely where we are going to be for some time. To sell your soul for a few planes is painfully short-sighted.

I'm tired of having the CHQ group thrown in front of our face during negotiations. The tone is "these guys will do it for a lot less, do you want to grow or not?" Now it's likely Mesa will enter the ring, and NO ONE can compete with their bottom feeding.

One of our interns was in the CPO's office the other day, he was talking with another intern about resumes they have sent out. He said he was wating to hear back from Mesa and Freedom!! I nearly choked the bas.tard. He didnt' care, just a chance to fly a jet sooner rather than later. It's this mentality that will be the end of us all.......

Flame away........