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[bobbysamd]

License conversions

Well, blade, this is what you wrote earlier:

I hate to inform you of this de727ups, but this is a VERY COMMON practice in Europe. It has also been very common in the US. (early 90's PFT)

Any reasonable person would take your statement to mean that European airlines are P-F-T, which is why I responded the way I did. I have no reason to believe that there would not be P-F-T or time-selling schemes outside the U.S.

Your comparision of license conversion training to P-F-T is faulty. Put the shoe on the other foot. Foreign nationals with licenses from their countries come here. The FAA usually will issue them a Private based on their licenses. They have to be trained for their FAA checkrides for their advanced U.S. ratings. There's nothing wrong with that.

P-F-T is an employment issue. If an employer requires you to pay it, or, for that matter, its designated vendor, for your company training as a condition of your employment with said employer, that is P-F-T.

Finally, if you are sick of the thread, why do you keep responding?

 

[The_Russian]

1. Bobby cant say anything because its not even his industry! He is not and never will be an airline pilot.

2. 350 and 727 are lonely angry people who have nothing better to do (along with their friend Bobby) but talk trash about things they have no first hand experience with.

3. Gulfstream delivers some of the best pilots into the regionals that Ive seen in my life. I can say that because I have been to ERAU, Comair, FSI, FIT, and numerous FBO's. The training program is difficult and people do wash out. I have watched 26 classes go through in two years. IT IS REAL.

FACT: None of these people who have spoke badly about this kind of training have ever stepped foot inside of Gulfstream Academy.

4. As an ex-employee and now a student at Gulfstream, I know for a fact that the people there arent "SHADY", nor is the operation itself. The FAA ramp checks and observes the flights on a daily basis. They also monitor the maintenance very closely. There are no hidden fees and the management is upfront. They especially do not guarantee you a job at any airline. Hmmmm. I recall many many years ago sitting at Comair and hearing: "You're Hired". "96% of our graduates get hired". After they ate my account up I left. I never once failed a lesson and it cost me twice as much and took twice as long as they told me it would. Ive never seen The Academy rip off a student.

Just because you post 5 million times on FlightInfo, or you can push the autopilot "ON" in a 727, or you hate yourself so much and you are so bored with your life, OR YOU LIKE BASHING YOUR FELLOW PILOTS FOR NO F***ING REASON!!!...... *breath*.............does not justify your opinion well enough to make it a fact. You are all wrong and you are angry. FOR NO REASON! This kind of training does not hurt the industry. Every time someone on this forum posts a new thread: WHICH SCHOOL SHOULD I GO TO? You are already there with your cup of coffee and calculator trying to figure out another reason why YOU FEW CRY BABYS hate Gulfstream and the other schools like them. Never once have you brought FACT to the debate (or argument) table. It reminds me of First grade....... "teacher....Tommy got in line at the finger paint station because he was faster than me and I didnt get the color red! WHAAA WHAAA"

Tommy must have had accelerated training!

No wonder A&P's hate pilots so much. D@mn you guys can whine, cry, and make up sh*t like nobody's business.

I can say all this because I have first hand experience, from BOTH sides of the fence. The grass is always greener on Bobby's side though, because he knows exactly what he is talking about. Who named you guys the gurus anyway?....................


Remember who made this personal. I expect my spelling and grammatical errors to be corrected by Friday please. I'm not kidding about that either, you will lose 10% of your grade if it is late.

All you brothers who just love flying and have been doing it since Hot Wheels made Die-Cast jets, tell your local a**hole know-it-all forum gurus who wish their moms had not beat them so much to eat one! Yeah the big one. Because these guys DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. NONE OF WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS ARE FACTS. Some are good at spelling though.

And for Flight Info moderators.....oh no I'm not done.......you need to check who is posting on your forums. People that establish themselves as self-proclaimed gurus going around offending other forum members and giving them sh*t about their personal career choices, lives, and employers should not be allowed to post due to the fact that it ruins YOUR reputation. I choose now to walk away from this thread because you have allowed the people who are not objective control these threads, while blocking out those like me who just want to tell upcoming pilots the truth. Oh yes you remember moderating me out before. It was a big stink because I made a good point and Baby Bobby didnt like it so you "erased" me. But thats ok.


Captain Picard: "#1 prepare to be moderated out."

Riker: " But Sir.... these PFT Klingons just wont let go. They have too much pent up rage!"

Warf: " Captain!....I am offended by his PFT Klingon comments......BUT I HAVE HAD NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN MAKE 4283 POSTS ON THE INTERNET FOR THE PAST 2 YEARS AND 4 MONTHS!

Riker: "Loser."

 

[bobbysamd]

Waaa waa waa

1. Bobby cant say anything because its not even his industry! He is not and never will be an airline pilot.

2. 350 and 727 are lonely angry people who have nothing better to do (along with their friend Bobby) but talk trash about things they have no first hand experience with . . . .
Just because you post 5 million times on FlightInfo, or you can push the autopilot "ON" in a 727, or you hate yourself so much and you are so bored with your life, OR YOU LIKE BASHING YOUR FELLOW PILOTS FOR NO F***ING REASON!!!...... *breath*.............does not justify your opinion well enough to make it a fact. You are all wrong and you are angry . . .

No, my friend, you are the one who is angry. Your post tells all . . . .

You are already there with your cup of coffee and calculator trying to figure out another reason why YOU FEW CRY BABYS hate Gulfstream and the other schools like them. Never once have you brought FACT to the debate (or argument) table . . . .

This is one of the more fact-laden posts I've seen. At least when I criticize Gulfstream, I document from its website.

It reminds me of First grade....... "teacher....Tommy got in line at the finger paint station because he was faster than me and I didnt get the color red! WHAAA WHAAA"

Did Tommy cut in line ahead of you, Russian? If he got in line ahead of you faster when teacher told you kids to get in line, that would be different. Was there already a line and did Tommy cut in front of the others? My first-grade teacher would have made Tommy go to the back of the line. So much for that analogy.

The grass is always greener on Bobby's side though, because he knows exactly what he is talking about. Who named you guys the gurus anyway?

I never said that - you did - and I thank you for the compliment. As for being a guru, just call me Mahareshi Mahesh Yogi.

Remember who made this personal . . . .

By the tone and tenor of your comments, especially at the outset of them, it was you, sir.

Oh yes you remember moderating me out before. It was a big stink because I made a good point and Baby Bobby didnt like it so you "erased" me. But thats ok.

Reread comment above about making things personal. Also see this gem from a few months ago:

Originally posted by The_Russian
Bobby, you stink.

You know what they say, if you can't attack the poster's argument, attack the poster.

By the way, Russian, your posts from last week are still up. Therefore, you cannot say you have been "moderated" out.

As with anyone, right or wrong, rational or irrational, personal attack or not, I appreciate all responses to my comments. Either way, it furthers the dialogue.

 

[de727ups]

Me and the Russian...

Both doing our best to steer folks away from Gulfstream....me with my opinion on PFT and him with his demeanor. What a great team we make.

 

[bobbysamd]

Almost as good as Bogart and Bacall, Steve Lawrence and Eydie Gorme et al . . .

Both doing our best to steer folks away from Gulfstream....me with my opinion on PFT and him with his demeanor. What a great team we make.

Indeed, politics makes for strange bedfellows.

 

[pilotyip]

More PFT help

Back to 1996, you said if I had gone to work for Valuejet and did not have a DC-9 type when I started even though I had to pay 10K for my training I would not be guilty of PFT (additional market value of type rating rule) and could have beers with my peers. But if I went to work for Exec Jet and already had a CE-550 type rating and paid 10K for my Citation Jet training, I would be guilty of PFT (no additional market value of type rating rule) and would be banned to the GIA end of the bar. It that what you said? PFT can be so confusing. Maybe you need a college degree to fgure it out? Nah! College degree had nothing to do with flying an airplane, it just opens doors.

 

[bobbysamd]

By George, I think he's got it!

Apologies to Julie Andrews and also for the momentary digression.

f I went to work for Exec Jet and already had a CE-550 type rating and paid 10K for my Citation Jet training, I would be guilty of PFT (no additional market value of type rating rule) and would be banned to the GIA end of the bar. It that what you said?

Yes. And . . . .

College degree had nothing to do with flying an airplane, it just opens doors.

On that issue, that's really the point. Of course, a degree has nothing intrinsically to do with flying an airplane. The benefits of an education notwithstanding, when it is clear that pilots with degrees are wanted over those without and you have such a degree, then you have one more advantage going for you besides your ratings and time.

(Of course, with P-F-T, a checkbook trumps both.)