Ok..why does EVERYONE hate MESA?

[I Hate Freight]

Blzr,

The original poster politely asked for legitimate information on Mesa and why so many thought it was a bad place. You gave him exactly what he did not ask for, flames and sarcasm.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Avoid AIr Inc!

Kit Darby (Air Inc) is a criminal and he'll tell you that he can have you in the Space Shuttle with 1000TT. Everything he says is a LIE. Everything!

 

[blzr]

I Hate Freight

Where did I go wrong?

Do you get paid block or better? Yes No
Do you get crew meals is schedueling or wx screws you out of a SCHEDULED break? Yes No
Do you have stand up over nights? Yes No
Do you have a contract worth working under? Yes No
Do people get hired off the street to become captains, effectively screwing young F/O's out of a seat?Yes No (see thread: Mesa Hiring Street Captains)

correct answers....yes, No, Yes, No, Yes.... That was easy wasn't it?

Seriously, Would you really recommend this job to a friend?

Follow the pattern of answers above, you would answer..... No

Have a good day.

 

[blzr]

I Hate Freight..

I assumed you worked for mesa... Don't take it personally.

 

[I Hate Freight]

No, Blzr I have never worked for Mesa nor would I. If I did than my handle would be I Hate Mesa, not I Hate Freight.

I just think it's sad that this guy asked polite, legitimate questions and a few a-holes bit his head off.

 

[Icywings2]

Ok I have seen "Standing up on overnights". Are we making something a little more than it is?

You know what. Does anyone (with Mesa obviously) have a copy of the contract.

It is a shame that I ask a simple question and get so many people flame it and not give me the answers. Ridiculous!

Everyone that complains about people getting hired right into the left seat sound like people that are simply jealous.

I guess the only way to know is to see the contract myself and decide.
If you have the contract or terms, please PM me. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Crizz]

http://www.airlinepilotcontracts.com/Contracts/Contract Proposal.pdf

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Mesa is controlled by greed

What is wrong with Mesa? Johnny Ornstein has caused more harm to the professional pilot career field second only to the terrorists. His desire to own as many high end motorcycles and other materialistic goods clouded his ability to feel any compassion or conscious in creating an airline that pays poorly in both pay and benefits. The pay at Mesa is in line with industry average even though the contract was signed just last year; the worst part is the work rules are horrific. In the prime example, eight days off on reserve is plain terrible. Yes, the Mesa pilot group had to deal with multiple issues and obstacles, but in the end it seems like they caved in to a poor contract in order to maintain growth and accelerate their hopeful transitions to a major carrier. Not many larger carriers are hiring these days with massive furloughs. Surely some of the Mesa pilots have and will continue to move on to better carriers, but operating 90 seat airplanes with low pay and worst work rules must make one wonder how many more large carrier pilot slots will remain in the future? The difference between a typical major airline contract for 90 seat aircraft and that of Mesa's is immense and disheartening. Also because Mesa operates so many different types of aircraft, their operating cost are higher creating less available capital for pay. Ultimately, Ornstein is scum and until he leaves, don't expect quality of life to improve at that carrier, unless the Mesa pilot group in the future changes its priorities and strategy.

 

[climbhappy]

Arn't all businesses controlled by greed?

Show me one that isn't and I'll show you United Way

What about Pinnacle and their low pay?

What about ACA taking cuts to fly airbus jets in the near future to survive.

What about US air mainline, whom due to RJs is about to go under.

What about Shuttle America and Colgan, who both fly yesterday's airplanes into tomorrow?

It ain't just Mesa!

 

[shamrock]

What about US air mainline, whom due to RJs is about to go under.

Huh?

 

[blzr]

Hey Icyhot, or Icywings, I can't remember. Have you ever heard of a STANDUP overnight, not standing up on an overnight. Anyway, if you go to work there, you get what you get.

 

[BrokeAssPilot]

wtf is a standup overnight?

 

[climbhappy]

shamrock,

i admit i might be reaching with that one, but I base it on this. The huge numbers of RJs put in serivce during the late 90s and up to now by competitors, while their scope allowed up to 36 then 72. Until the bankruptsy plan that started the PSa thing and mid atlantic, they had no plan.

too little too late. Also, even Mesa by exploiting them causes the airline to farm out more flying. Passengers are already bailing. even some of the Rjs I've riddden are always half empty coming out of charlotte, pit and philly

When southwest comes to Philly, I would argue that they won't be around for long. If they survive, they'll be one of the greatest turnaround stories in airline history.

 

[Cappy]

wtf is a standup overnight?

A "standup" overnight may also be refered to as a CDO or Continuous Duty Overnight. It works like this...without getting into all the FAR lingo you can be scheduled for 16hrs continuous duty...right? Soooooo in order to save on hotel rooms (one for the inbound crew at night and one for the outbound in the morning) the company and union reps build lines of "standups".

You might see it like this...your report time at IAD is 2000 and you fly to DTW. You have no scheduled rest(remember you're on duty for 16hrs) BUT you get a hotel room anyway and show the next morning at 0630 for an 0715 departure getting into IAD at 0845. Add in your 15 minutes after block-in and you have been on duty for a grand total of 13 hours.

At ACA they are quite desireable due to the pay and hours worked. You get paid half of scheduled or actual duty, whichever is greater and per-diem for the duty as well. I'm sure it's similar at most other regionals but I don't know that for a fact.

They are desireable if you want a full-time paycheck for what you might call part-time work hours. Like I said, they are fairly popular at ACA. We used to have a great DTW standup that was good for 15hrs 58 minutes scheduled duty...8hrs pay for not much work.


See ya.

Mike

 

[MetroSheriff]

I think I need to just join Air Inc, to get a straight answer. bummer

No that is funny.