New Chautauqua EMB170/190 Rates vs. jetBlue

[767-300ER]

Chatauqua:
http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/chautauqua/chautauqua.htm
(EMB190s are on option; I listed its pay scale for information purposes only)

jetBlue:
http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/jetblue/jetblue.htm

 

[DoinTime]

And people say JetBlue is sinking the industry.

 

[nimtz]

Don't worry about those 70 seat rates being so low at CHQ. After all the most important thing to do is get the growth so you can get to the left seat and get Turbine PIC. Then you are competitive to get hired by JetBlue to fly the ERJ-190 for a major airline!!!

 

[lowecur]

Don't worry about those 70 seat rates being so low at CHQ. After all the most important thing to do is get the growth so you can get to the left seat and get Turbine PIC. Then you are competitive to get hired by JetBlue to fly the ERJ-190 for a major airline!!!

Or they could go to AMR, DL, or even WN and fly it for a little more than B6.

 

[AviatorTx]

"Low-life-bottom-feeding-scumsuckers"

 

[aewanabe]

And people say JetBlue is sinking the industry.

This from a guy at Pinnacle??!! BUwhahahahaha! I'm gonna fall off my chair.

Uh, our guy driving the 70-seater makes a couple bucks an hour less than JB's on the 100-seater, and tops out higher. On the 70 SEATER! And yes, we do have several old-timers here who will be over 12 years on that pay scale.

P.S. We also know the FO rates suck. When you guys at Pinnacle stop making your newhires live as indentured slaves for the first 3 months of their careers with you, then you can talk smack.

 

[aewanabe]

Or they could go to AMR, DL, or even WN and fly it for a little more than B6.

I won't give odds as to when AMR or DL might hire again, but WN would be fine. We also seem to have several guys bailing for Airtran and HP. Oh, and yeah, the CURRENT JB, flying the bus.

 

[StarChecker]

"Low-life-bottom-feeding-scumsuckers"

This from another cocky Kotex PFT'er....m'kay.

 

[BoilerUP]

Everybody relax...

The only way RJET will fly the 190 is if BB decides Republic can do better as an independent (a la Independence). Probably the only this will happen is if Airways or UAL goes Ch. 7. You can darn sure bet as soon as Republic goes independent every single codeshare will drop Chautauqua, as most airlines have little interest in funding their direct competition.

AMR is going to get low-ball rates from APA to compete with Eagle for the (potential) 190 flying they will get. Airways has MidAtlantic to fly their 170s/190s, as long as they have the credit to keep receiving them. DALPA won't allow Connection to fly anything more than the 70 seaters already at CMR/ASA short of a Ch. 11 ruling, and if Connection does get them you can bet they'll be staffed with DAL furloughs. United is the wildcard, but they have SKW and Mesa to get through before offering 100 seaters to RJET. I have, however, heard some rumors about a United J4J deal regarding the 170s/190s, although I have no evidence.

Because of the above, it is HIGHLY unlikely CHQ/RP pilots will see the EMB-190 on property during the life of this CBA. With the threat of a non-union alter-ego Republic gone and the company making record profits, you can bet the next contract's (06 I think?) compensation will be improved. We'll see in a few years how close it gets to XJET's upcoming contract

767-300, please add MidAtlantic's 170/190 rates to the US Airways section.

 

[767-300ER]

767-300, please add MidAtlantic's 170/190 rates to the US Airways section.

I'd love to, but I haven't been able to get my hands on any #s from them. No sources and no submissions.

 

[surplus1]

DALPA won't allow Connection to fly anything more than the 70 seaters already at CMR/ASA short of a Ch. 11 ruling, and if Connection does get them you can bet they'll be staffed with DAL furloughs.

Delta will have to match JBlue rates and give up all the contract goodies, including pension, if they want the EMB-190/195. Perhaps they will do that perhaps not. Maybe the Company doesn't even want them. That's all speculation.

There may well be an increase in 70-seaters at CMR/ASA since the D pilots will not want to match USAirways. However, if that happens they will not be staffed by Delta furloughs at CMR. This pilot group is not going to give up its seniority to Delta pilots in any J4J nonsense like USAir. Therfore, since you guys are already willing to do that, you will get them. That should make you happy I'm sure.

I have, however, heard some rumors about a United J4J deal regarding the 170s/190s, although I have no evidence.

The UAL contract does include a J4J provision but it is different than the USAir deal. UAL pilots go to the bottom of your list, but they are paid more money than you. Again, that should not bother you since you have already agreed to worse.

We'll see in a few years how close it gets to XJET's upcoming contract

If that is what you aspire to "in a few years" you have better hopes for XJET than I do.

767-300, please add MidAtlantic's 170/190 rates to the US Airways section.

MidAtlantics rates for the 170/175 are identical to the Eagle rates for the CRJ-700. The U pilots gave up their longevity so everyone will start at first year pay ($58). The U pilots also have no contract for MAA as yet. When they might get one is anybody's guess, but it will be much like AE's, which isn't worth writing home about.

 

[BlueCanoe]

The UAL contract does include a J4J provision but it is different than the USAir deal. UAL pilots go to the bottom of your list, but they are paid more money than you. Again, that should not bother you since you have already agreed to worse.

It's funny because the UAL J4J deal we have is that they go to the bottom of the list with all the rights, pay and responsibilities of any other FNG.

You can't whine about our pay...I know it's not #1, but the difference between my pay and CMR is how much our ONE LIST cost. The ONE LIST you and the rest of the flightinfo whiners supported.

Sorry, I gotta go...who'd be calling me from PHX???

 

[BoilerUP]

Surplus,

I don't think anybody at CHQ wants to fly 190s at the current CBA rates. I had a captain the other day add up how much an 18 year captain would make guarantee on the 190, it certainly was nothing to write home about for a 100 seat airplane that rivals the A318. Believe me, we weren't proud.

My point is CHQ is not going to be flying 190s anytime soon, and more than likely not in the current CBA due to my reasoning above. People need to chill and wait until 190 orders are announced, then they can start b!tching...

 

[surplus1]

It's funny because the UAL J4J deal we have is that they go to the bottom of the list with all the rights, pay and responsibilities of any other FNG.

Sorry, I have no idea what an "FNG" might be. I also don't know what deal "we have" or who "we" might be. For the source of the UAL J4J, I recommend you real the UAL contract and LOA's. They will also tell you where the extra money they get comes from.

You can't whine about our pay...I know it's not #1, but the difference between my pay and CMR is how much our ONE LIST cost. The ONE LIST you and the rest of the flightinfo whiners supported.

My apologies again. I have not idea whom you might have "one list" with or what its value might be. Also, if you search my posts you may discover that I'm not an advocate of one list with anyone for my own airline, although I admit I would yield to the will of the majority if that's what they wanted and the terms were correct. Wrong terms = no interest.

In case you are referring to the common seniority between CHQ and REP and its cost to CHQ pilots I might agree with you that it sucks. You can send a thank you note to Duane Woerth since it was ALPA policy that resulted in the creation of your alter ego company. Don't blame the wrong people.

Sorry, I gotta go...who'd be calling me from PHX???

I confess total lack of interest.

 

[DoinTime]

This from a guy at Pinnacle??!! BUwhahahahaha! I'm gonna fall off my chair.

Uh, our guy driving the 70-seater makes a couple bucks an hour less than JB's on the 100-seater, and tops out higher. On the 70 SEATER! And yes, we do have several old-timers here who will be over 12 years on that pay scale.

P.S. We also know the FO rates suck. When you guys at Pinnacle stop making your newhires live as indentured slaves for the first 3 months of their careers with you, then you can talk smack.

This wasn't a comparison of payrates at Pinnacle. Reread thread title please.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus,

I don't think anybody at CHQ wants to fly 190s at the current CBA rates. I had a captain the other day add up how much an 18 year captain would make guarantee on the 190, it certainly was nothing to write home about for a 100 seat airplane that rivals the A318. Believe me, we weren't proud.

My point is CHQ is not going to be flying 190s anytime soon, and more than likely not in the current CBA due to my reasoning above. People need to chill and wait until 190 orders are announced, then they can start b!tching...

BoilerUP,

I was not complaining about your pay rates at CHQ. I understand fully why you had to do what you did. I do not think that was the fault of the CHQ pilots, I think it was ALPA's fault since I belive that ALPA policy caused the formation of Republic on your property, just as ALPA policy resulted in the creation of Freedom on the Mesa property. Everyone knows what happened to the Mesa contract because of it.

What I did take issue with was your implacation that their might be a J4J program at Comair for Delta pilots. That isn't going to happen in the USAirways format. It could happen in the UAL format, provided the extra pay for those that come over is removed. We are not going to voluntarily permit a higher pay scale for pilots in the same position just because they came from Delta. We are also not going to give up our seniorty so that pilots from another airline can be placed in Captain positions ahead of our own First Officers. Not 50%, not 10%, not 1%. The Filling of Vacancies section of our contract will not be abrogated in favor of the pilots of another airline. ALPA can put that one where the sun don't shine.

Since you already have agreed to a Jets for Jobs program, if the Delta pilots get their company to agree to that in exchange for modified scope, then the additional 70-seaters would logically go to you.

Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't believe that Comair pilots will sacrifice their seniority in favor of Delta pilots to get growth airplanes. I would certainly work as hard as I know how to prevent that.

 

[AviatorTx]

This from another cocky Kotex PFT'er....m'kay.

<----Actually, I even admit to being a cocky COEX guy. Just look by my avatar.

No PFT though. I got hired with enough time not to have to go that route.

 

[jetdawg]

I just want to warn all who may click on jack holes (AviatorTX) danasoft------.com little thing on the bottom of his post. I accidentally did and it clipped a ticket on my computer, locked the *&^% thing up and was a little bit of a pain to take care of it. Coex if you want to know our info. our IPO address and useless info like your ticket said it got have the berries to ask.

 

[MECH]

Actually ALPA is not the union at CHQ.

 

[BoilerUP]

surplus1,

I didn't mean to insinuate that there would be a DALPA J4J deal with CMR/ASA to fly larger aircraft, sorry if that was how it read. I don't blame you for not wanting to give up seniority for the lower pilots on your list.

I do think, however, 717/E190 type aircraft will be flown by DALPA (current or furloughed) pilots. Whether they have "Connection" on the side of them or not, we shall see.