Mesa upgrades

[hyperboy]

Mesa

You know I find it amazing that all of these MESA bashers are that ignorant???!!!!How many has MESA furloughed?....Yea not to bad considering the economy huh? Why are you guys so anti MESA. What does mesa have to do with you guys? Are guys fuloughed or not happy and have no one else to blame.? Even guys that voted against the contract are gulity..... to bad you guys don't even know who those individuals are...but then again who are you???? If you think that Mesa is a bottom feeder apparantly you don't know what else is out there or maybe you have been spoiled.
No mention of Colgan, ASA pay for the right seat out of FSI in Vero, GS, I bet some of you guys might be some of those 250 hour FO's would you admit it ?....but why should I care does it have anything to do with me? ASA guys on this board call out your guys that bought their jobs yea you know who they are? Yea I am sure that helps your cause huh? Are you to chicken? Mesa will deal with their contract and learn from it. All your contracts when you vote and don't get what you want, Don't come to blame mesa because we can't vote for you. Just look at your union brothers and ask yourself what happened!!!!!!!!! It's funny that ya'll use Mesa as a patsy. Open your eyes

 

[BRA]

Colgan bashing can be found on it's repective threads. You will also notice colgan threads mostly involve people leaving from there....not people trying to come in.

 

[DEVO]

HEY HYPERBOY-TAKE SOME RITILAN AND EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!!

With 1400 hours and change, I wouldn't expect you to know the history of mesa and the other airlines that have been destroyed. Have you ever heard of "WESTAIR"? O. K., that might have been before your extensive aviation experience. Westair was a commuter airline operating in CA, OR, WA, ID, NV, MT. When Mesa acquired it, Westair had approximately 900 pilots. The management at mesa started the ol' assett transfer and eventually whittled the Westair folks down to about 250 pilots. When Mesa lost it's code share with UNITED (The first time), they just shut Westair down. In cas you haven't been paying attention to the facts- mesa did the same thing at CCAIR. That's putting people out on the streets because of "MIS-MANAGEMENT. You are technically correct though- MESA has never "FURLOUGHED" any one- they just shut them down and declare bankruptcy.

I am sorry for the rant, I'll try and control myself.

Devo

 

[crashpad]

Ranting is good! In the grand cosmic scheme of things it
won't matter if Mesa is veiwed by many pilots as a bad company to work for.
It really depends on individuality of the person. Do they like what they do, who they work with, are they having fun. If they're a complainer-Mesa will $uck, but so will Air Wisconsin, ComAir and Skywest. It won't matter. BTW, I worked for Mesa a long time and had a great time and lifestyle.

 

[46Driver]

I really could have cared less about MESA - if you want to work for them great/whatever. Now that MESA is trying a hostile takeover of my company and take away my job, I have a slightly different opinion.

One answer to the MESA plague. Most go to MESA to build time. Convince the hiring committees of JetBlue, Southwest, Delta, FedEx, etc that if you fly for MESA, it is now by necessity a career job - you will be blacklisted from anything else in aviation.

 

[ExFokkerFlyer]

Empire?

I'm not going to weigh in on the Mesa debate per se. But if you are looking at companies to hang your hat for any significant time, don't look at Empire. I used to work there a few years back, flew with some great people, but worked for a bunch of a$$holes. I could bore you all with details of familiar stories, but I won't.

If you are just looking for some turbine time to improve your chances at Air Whiskey, Comair, SkyW, etc. Mesa might not be a bad option in the short term. Empire used to have, not sure anymore, a training contract... if they still have one, keep that in mind.

Most of all, good luck to you.

 

[WhiteCloud]

One answer to the MESA plague. Most go to MESA to build time. Convince the hiring committees of JetBlue, Southwest, Delta, FedEx, etc that if you fly for MESA, it is now by necessity a career job - you will be blacklisted from anything else in aviation.

With respect...without significant turbine time and some operational experience you are essentially "blacklisted" (non-competetive) from those companies anyway. Trying to convince pilots that need the experience not to get it for some abstract "save the industry" philosophy isn't going to work. They aren't in the industry yet. It's up to us, not a bunch of new hire pilots, to change things when we can. Will you walk rather than fly for JO?

 

[46Driver]

If MESA buys us, we lose the Delta contract. Without Delta benefits, I will not be able to get to work. I have my military reserves and will look for a helicopter job until I finish my Masters.

 

[WhiteCloud]

If MESA buys us, we lose the Delta contract. Without Delta benefits, I will not be able to get to work. I have my military reserves and will look for a helicopter job until I finish my Masters.

Thanks for the answer. I can't see working for MESA for long. Like most everyone else I'll move on when a better opportunity (most anything) comes up.

 

[acaTerry]

Be a man and work longer until you can get a job at a good airline. 7 years in aviation?....you're lucky to be even looking for a job in that short of a time.

Mesa predates on people like you....want a job, any job. Look at it this way: you have a job to do in your garage. But you have to buy tools. So instead of saving a little money and buying Sears, Husky, Mikita or some other good tools, you go to the 99-cent store and by a whole set for....99 cents. Great, you have your tools. Now start working. Guess what happens? You guessed it. The tools broke the first time you used them.

You have what, 2000 hours? You deserve better than Mesa. WAIT IT OUT. You'll be glad you did.

"Maturity is the ability to accept delayed gratification".

 

[SanJuanPlebe]

Oh the Mesa Bashers Live

Kids,

And I use that term on purpose, because reading some of these posts, I think we are all acting like "kids."

Mesa is not your problem. The Mesa Pilots are not your problem. Never have been, never will be. I compare a Mesa pilot to a battered wife (sorry Mesa folks, or which I am one of) you get told you're worthless long enough, you start to believe it and take your beatings with appreciation! But that's an inhouse problem we need to correct. You outsiders could help us correct it, or continue to contribute to it.

I laugh at all of the folks that hate us for voting on our TA (that was 6% Lower than industry average, but yet an INCREASE for us post 9-11) and how we've ruined the industry. C'mon folks....6%!!! While not a good thing, not this doom and gloom that others paint. They'd let you think we were doing it for 75% less! And before you get all fired up, I admire what ComAir, and company did! I walked the line with them....but sadly, we just couldn't get it done in our negotiating environment. But don't hate me for it!!!

Fact is, Mesa is growing and we need ALL of the pilots we can get. And upgrades, especially if your have an ATP and you are hired into the Dash or the Beech, will be almost instaneous. Fact, not fiction.

As for the ASA merger, I sure hope it doesn't go through. Not because of the merger of seniority lists. In one aspect, I know we'd (Mesa/ACA) would be a pilot group to be taken seriously at ALPA National, but on another, I suspect Ornstein would decimate your good Company like he has others. But sadly, I think Mr. Skeen is leading you on a pipe dream. When you can't even obtain financing on RJs/narrow bodies for your new venture, and Wall Street is giving you the "thumbs down" then maybe Mesa might be what saves your job.....Sad but true...and I mean that with the utmost sincerity. Trust me, I know what it is like to be managed by a bunch of clowns.....

And in my book, everyone's got a right to eat and provide for their family, as long as, of course, it's not at the expense of others (Freedom scabs).

SO, let's ride this thing out, let's stick together as PILOTS regardless of who we work for, and work to improve our profession as a WHOLE....not just one property at a time. Cause, as you know, there will ALWAYS be someone who is willing to "race to the bottom."

The Plebe

PS, your ire, although easily directed at Mesa, is truly misplaced. It should be directed at Ornstein and company and his Freedom friends who helped to undermine the negotiating process. Overall, those ALPA pilots did the absolute BEST they could possibly do....or else DW wouldn't have signed it!!!

 

[46Driver]

SanJuanPlebe,

You call it the "battered wife" syndrome. A more apt analogy is the "I was just following orders" refrain. I make no distinction between Orsnstein and his pilot minions. You became complicit when you knowingly took that job.

I didn't care about your working conditions, I didn't care when you took a large chunk of the UAL contract, but now you are trying to takeover my company. MESA will take our airplanes and furlough us while making you captains. I prefer to see Tom and Kerry dynamite the CRJ's and literally have a bonfire with the $250M in cash before you get your hands on them.

Finally, it is MESA that can't get financing for new CRJ's. That, along with UAL desperately needing our Dulles gates, are the primary reasons behind the takeover.

 

[OneTuffGuy]

hey hud you are so mislead call up Dave S at Airways and ask how behind MESA is at the flying they where suppose to cover. In fact if i am correct and I am sure a PSA Pilot will know, Mesa was suppose to take over DCA as of late spring 03 making it a mostly jet airport, however since they screwed up so bad PSA and ALG and maybe some others are still covering flying. Mesa sucks lets face it, everyone who works their defends it, until they leave and then they realize how much it sucked. No company will every be worse then MESA even McDonalds is a better place to work at. Plus you at least get free food.

And as for the MESA has great ontime numbers and such......you guys are so stupid to think they rest of us dont know you lie when you call times out just to make you look good. When you push of the gate at 10:15 that does not equal a 10:00 on time departure. I guess it is nice to be able to call times yourself. Dont kid yourseld MESA will always suck

 

[dondk]

Battered wife syndrome

I have to agree with SanjuanPlebe...

While working fror MESA I would have to agree with the Battered Wife Syndrome amongst most pilots. They way the pay was set up during my time, we were paid credit which was always less than block. No block or better, no extra pay if you went over block, no nothing. Yea, it sucked and if you were number 25 for takeoff on the last PHL push you were working for free. After awhile you would start to look at it as "I am getting turbine time for free". Yea, screwed up... but you also realize it is ONLY A JOB and you are at a REGIONAL.

Cancellations were common, calling in times to make it look better was SOP. You just have to realize it is a job and nothing more and definately not much less.


For ACA's sake, I hope MESA does not come in... If they do you can count on those ACA RJ's filling up the holes throughout the MESA system...

 

[saabtrash]

Don't use a regional as a stepping stone to get to another regional. That is why regional pilots have always gotten paid like sh*t, because it was simply a stepping stone to move onto bigger and better things. That is not the reality anymore and that whole thought process needs to change. Don't be a whore.