Freight Dawg Down

[dsee8driver]

Grandaire

Isn't Grandaire the same operator who a few years back lost 2 Falcons on the same day? I think the Feds need to pay them another visit...

 

[NoPax]

I agree with ACT700 on this one.

I'm hand-flying 5 hours a night, a 12 hour duty day with no chance for rest on my 6 hour downtime in Austin. I'm pretty tired when I get home, then have to get up and do it all over again. I also fly 5 nights a week, and load upto 1200lbs per leg (4 legs) not a prissy 4 night a week Airnet gig

There isn't even another pilot that can cover my route when I am tired/sick/etc, so I have to go anyways.

Don't get me wrong - I love it - but I'm just making an observation that I feel has to be made.

 

[Freight Dawg]

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[ACT700]

Just What I Thought, Leave It To The Flight Info Folks To Turn These Thread Into "i Know Best, And This Versuses That". Give It A Rest. Fact Is Someone Is Dead, And Flying At Night Had Nothing To Do With It, People Or What Ever. Hopeless, All F*&^ing Hopeless. PS if youy type in all caps, it automatically capatilzes the first letter.

I don't understand your complaint. You started a thread and people so far have written relevant stuff.

If you don't think the last few comments have anything to do with it, you're obviously lost.
Because I have been there many times, literally, in that particular airplane, tired as $hihat, and when you add an emergency to that, like the guy had two nights ago, things can go from lousy to, well, you saw the result.

So, scratch your last comment (...typical flightinfo...) and we'll stay on topic.

 

[FraxJockey]

Now i can see if you are going on a 4-5+ hour jaunt then yes, it is a good thing to have, but for most night freight companies, single pilot ops do not go "much" over 2 hours at the most (usually, now i know there is always the exception).

I got 1000hrs. in the sewerpipe (SA227) in one year and half that was single pilot. Little different from hauling checks. I don't think check runs go from ELP,DRT,LRD,MMCU,MMCS,MMTO to DTW,YIP,DET, SPA.... Only reason I finally got an F/O was to be able to fly 10 hrs 135 vs. 8. And that's not factoring the good ole "5+ hr. 91 leg" back home. I'm surprised that this doesn't happen more often. As for Tricostal/Grand Scare, my heart goes out to those guys that put their lives on the line every day.

 

[cherry20's]

RIP my fellow freighter. I do agree that they should have at least autopilots or even better SIC's. Maybe this tragedy could have been adverted. Does anyone know who the pilot was? It wasn't Jose was it? Someone please PM me or post it up. My thoughts and prayers are with all the families and friends involved. Grand Aire guys be careful.

 

[Bryan D]

Fact Is Someone Is Dead...

Lots of people are dead FreightDawg. Take a coffee break and get ahold of your emotions. I want to know what went wrong and caused this plane to crash.

 

[81Horse]

... Does anyone know who the pilot was? ...

Abdulgader Zbedah, 42, of Louisville, according to this: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060209/NEWS11/602090386

 

[vallyman]

I am so sorry to hear that one of us has died. my heart goes out to the family and my prayers are with them.
hopefully we can all learn somthing from the tragity, once we find out what went wrong. So we dont become the next tragity.

 

[starchkr]

Sorry for taking the thread off topic with my first post...

NoPax...as far as the "prissy" comment...just shows who did their homework before accepting a job huh...

 

[NoPax]

Sorry for taking the thread off topic with my first post...

NoPax...as far as the "prissy" comment...just shows who did their homework before accepting a job huh...

Dam you and your short-bus:crying:

 

[rubicon789]

I'm hand-flying 5 hours a night, a 12 hour duty day with no chance for rest on my 6 hour downtime in Austin. I'm pretty tired when I get home, then have to get up and do it all over again. I also fly 5 nights a week, and load upto 1200lbs per leg (4 legs) not a prissy 4 night a week Airnet gig

There isn't even another pilot that can cover my route when I am tired/sick/etc, so I have to go anyways.

Let look at both comments here... Sorry to hiJack this should be a RIP thread.
1.) AirNet is not a prissy job at all. Like Starchkr said you just picked the wrong company. Think please before you make comments like that.
2.) That's about the dumbest thing I have every heard. Don't you remember the IMSAFE from your early flying days. Thats the kind of crap that will get you hurt. Please do us all a favor and stay out of the sky when your out of it. You know your limitations, but be safe.

 

[NoPax]

Quote:
Originally Posted by NoPax
I'm hand-flying 5 hours a night, a 12 hour duty day with no chance for rest on my 6 hour downtime in Austin. I'm pretty tired when I get home, then have to get up and do it all over again. I also fly 5 nights a week, and load upto 1200lbs per leg (4 legs) not a prissy 4 night a week Airnet gig

There isn't even another pilot that can cover my route when I am tired/sick/etc, so I have to go anyways.



Let look at both comments here... Sorry to hiJack this should be a RIP thread.
1.) AirNet is not a prissy job at all. Like Starchkr said you just picked the wrong company. Think please before you make comments like that.
2.) That's about the dumbest thing I have every heard. Don't you remember the IMSAFE from your early flying days. Thats the kind of crap that will get you hurt. Please do us all a favor and stay out of the sky when your out of it. You know your limitations, but be safe.


Starchkr and I go back a little bit, it was a dig at him - I like AirNet honestly.

If I called in tired, I would be looking for a new job - I'm not a whiner, and I'm never out of it - it's reality though. If my route needs to be covered, I pay for the guy to fly/drive there - my comments are made to emphasize that maybe the FAA should look at this too - no passenger op would be like this.

I did call in sick one time last year - I was out of it - and the secretary, in her words said 'well there's noone to cover your route, you'll have to fly anyways' - I did take the night off after talking to my CP.

 

[rubicon789]

I know, just making a point.

 

[Lear Wanna Be]

4 Falcons, 1 Metro, 1 Aerostar, and a Hansa Jet all meeting their doom since 2000. Add another Falcon and Aerostar between 1995-2000. How is it that Grand Aire still has insurance, pilots, and customers?

Well time to change the N numbers and company name again. Guess they figure that is the down side to losing an aircraft.