Express Jet Mins

[plunger]

i noticed how low the mins were but is anyone really getting hired with times that low? i'm pretty close to those times. just curious. thanks.

 

[wink2004]

Most are getting hired near 1,000. But some with less. If you bring a good attitude into the interview anythings possible.

 

[flytheblue]

Just be sure that you have earned your multi time either by instructing or flying 135, and that you are current. You can meet the mins, but if you aren't current, or don't have a current flying job you may be disqualified.

 

[plunger]

thanks for the replies! most of my multi time came from flight training. i did a majority of my training in a twin. i only have about 15 hrs of dual given one. i do have a current flying job as as instructor. i am multi current but barely. i have about 160 hrs of multi time. i just need to get my total time up. i hope to be able to apply by spring.

 

[MJG]

As a current XJet Captain all I have to say is that the mins these days scare the hell out of me.

"i am multi current but barely."

Wow, I can't wait to fly with you.

 

[sgu]

As a current XJet Captain all I have to say is that the mins these days scare the hell out of me.

Wow, I can't wait to fly with you.

Now that is not very nice...Give the kid a break, he/she will have to pass through the grinder before he/she has to put up with your shinanigans...
Trust the system and if you do not like what u see then take it from there.

 

[cosmotheassman]

SGU, What do you expect from someone that voted for kerry? MJG can't help it if he is mentally challenged...

 

[sweptback]

SGU, What do you expect from someone that voted for kerry? MJG can't help it if he is mentally challenged...

Oh. My. Goodness.

Can we please, pretty please, not have ANY more election comments on this board? I mean, SERIOUSLY, it's OVER. Who won, won. Who lost, lost.

People who voted for Kerry are not mentally challenged. Yes, I know you meant it tongue-in-cheek.

People who voted for Bush are not <insert stupid name> here.

Everybody who voted did their civic duty. All this BS about how Bush got the most votes ever meaning he's the best president ever, or whatever people come up with, is nothing but crazy-talk. Guess what, Kerry got the second-most votes ever. So would that make him a better president than Reagan? How about George Washington, or Abraham Lincoln? Neither of them got many votes, comparitively.

If you were a Bush supporter, now that you guys got what you wanted, please write your representatives and senators and tell them what you want them to do with their newfound power.

If you were a Kerry supporter, write your representatives and senators and tell them what you want them to to as well. They still represent you, and they just may listen. While you're at it, figure out what went wrong, and offer to help the Democratic party in 2006 repair some of the damage.

But please, PLEASE, no piss-ant comments on this board about who somebody voted for, or who somebody supported before the election. It does no good, and just makes you look stupid. Even if you only mean it in humor.

 

[COEX-FO]

thanks for the replies! most of my multi time came from flight training. i did a majority of my training in a twin. i only have about 15 hrs of dual given one. i do have a current flying job as as instructor. i am multi current but barely. i have about 160 hrs of multi time. i just need to get my total time up. i hope to be able to apply by spring.

Plunger....APPLY NOW!!!

Don't ask why just do it. I was flying with one of our interviewers last week so take it from me, apply now! All they can say is NO.

I'm not terribly excited with our new 'mins' as I'm upgrading next month but if they hire you and you get through training I'm sure after awhile (soon we hope) you will be fine . Just be humble and learn from the CA's here. We do not have any that have not been on the plane for thousands of hours!

 

[145EXR]

i had one of the interviewers in the jumpseat this summer...they told me most people who get reject didnt follow ALL the directions (paperwork, currency , etc) and didnt know the aircraft (systems ) that they currently fly (aka..they had a 135 guy that didnt know the max landing gear extension speed for his ac..etc)...if you dont fly 135 or have a lot of ifr experience, theyll grill you on ifr stuff so study the aim and jepps..if you fly 135/121 they will ask you stuff pertaining to those regs...the interviewer said MOST people who follow directions and come in with a good attitude and are professional get the job..as an exjet captain i can say almost all of the new hires i have flown with are great pilots and have great attitudes..good luck!

 

[plunger]

thanks guys for all the advice and encouragement! i'm a little hesitant to apply just yet. the new internet questionair asks if you have 600tt, 100multi, and something like 20 actual. i have everything except the 600tt. i only have around 500tt. i thought that i read somewhere on here that a guy took "bad advice" as he put it and applied early. 100hrs is a pretty tall gap when the mins are already so low. To the guy who "can't wait to fly with me", I can't wait to fly with you! i know i wouldn't be the most experienced pilot you've ever flown with but i can guarantee that i'll show up to work with a positive attitude, a willingness to learn, and a respect for your position. Happy flying!

 

[starvingpilot7]

As a current XJet Captain all I have to say is that the mins these days scare the hell out of me.

Wow, I can't wait to fly with you.

MJG, your point is understood, and I imagine your busted your ass instructing or flying 135 for a few years before you started at XJET, but I somewhat disagree. I imagine that if you make it through training, that you are hopefully qualified to be in the right seat, even if you have sub-1000 flight time. I myself am a low-time candidate, and I hope that my attitude, willingness to learn, and work ethic can at least partially compensate for my lack of experience. Continuing on the theme of what plunger said, I hope that if I fly with you, you judge me by my attitude and performance in the cockpit, not by a number.

 

[plunger]

i can understand MJG's point. if i were a captain i'd definatley like to have an experienced fo with me when the sh$t hits the fan. BUT, you sure can't blame us low timers who meet the published mins from applying, and if offered, excepting the job. MJG's problem is with the airline, not the low time pilot. PFTer's on the other hand, now that's a different story. Besides, by the time guys like me upgrade, we'll probably have more time in that airplane than the average CA upgrade.

 

[SEFlyer]

i can understand MJG's point. if i were a captain i'd definatley like to have an experienced fo with me when the sh$t hits the fan. BUT, you sure can't blame us low timers who meet the published mins from applying, and if offered, excepting the job. MJG's problem is with the airline, not the low time pilot. PFTer's on the other hand, now that's a different story. Besides, by the time guys like me upgrade, we'll probably have more time in that airplane than the average CA upgrade.

Do yo except the job or accept the job?

I hope the XJT captains don't mind flying single pilot because in my experience, although the 600 hour guys may be good pilots, when they are thrown in a jet traveling 5 times faster than what they've ever seen before and fully automated, they get so far behind that it's almost like flying from the back of the plane.

 

[gangdev]

I know someone just hired with Xjet with 1200TT, not sure about his Multi - but xjet's mins for the school I am training at is 500TT 100M (with a type rating), but I guess that info only helps those with 300TT or less.

 

[Nova]

I imagine that if you make it through training, that you are hopefully qualified to be in the right seat, even if you have sub-1000 flight time.

Well your qualified but are you knowledgeable/experienced enough? Will the captain be able to trust a 600 hour pilot up front for 5-10 minutes when they go back to the can or when the @#$% hits the fan?

I'm not saying it can't be done as attitude makes up a good part of that equation but not all of it. All the positive attitude in the world couldn't make a 100 hour pilot a competent FO, but will it for a 500 or 600 hour pilot? I would hope that most of those 600 hours are in at least in some fast/complex recips or turboprops.

 

[mmmdonut]

Will the captain be able to trust a 600 hour pilot up front for 5-10 minutes when they go back to the can

Oh jeeezus I doubt it.... you know how much effort it takes to let the autopilot make that 10 degree turn over Holston Mountain.

 

[greyhound]

So it matters "HOW" you got the time!

I'm ages away from touching the twins at the school where I teach at.

At 500 TT and 50 multi, I couldn't just buy the 50 hours or split time with someone? ( I have an MEI).

This would get my total time pretty close to where I could at least apply, right?

Or would it comeback to haunt me at the interview?

 

[mmmdonut]

it would get you there... do it..and apply quickly

 

[LJDRVR]

Here's some advice, worth exactly what you paid for it.

Don't sit around wondering whether or not you might get hired, APPLY and let us decide for you.

This is probably the biggest mistake professional aviators make. "Gee, I've got the minimums for____, but things are pretty competetive right now, I'd better wait until I have (choose one)

• Another 500 hours
• More PIC
• A doctorate degree
• A facelift
• SR-71 type rating

The list goes on forever. Meanwhile you're missing out on a fun job because you feel better qualified than your potential employer to decide whether or not you're employable. Send in the application.

Don't let guys like MJG worry you. They get paid the big bucks to handle situations like a low time FO.

 

[Vik]

What if the time isn't by instructing or flying 135?

What if I'm flying a light twin around 40hrs PIC per month. Its my own plane and I'm flying it for my personal business.

So I'll be applying with 600 TT / 300 ME / well over 20 actual ... ???

Just be sure that you have earned your multi time either by instructing or flying 135, and that you are current. You can meet the mins, but if you aren't current, or don't have a current flying job you may be disqualified.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Vik, I've heard from several others on this board and gouges that they want you to have a current flying job. I would take that as meaning you're a paid professional pilot of some sort. Never hurts to try though.

 

[CiFIknow]

I was hired without being in a "current" flying job. Had over 450 hours of dual given and hadn't been instructing for six months. Like Vik, I was flying my own 310 about 30 - 40 hours a month for the past few months leading up to the interview. So, it is not a hard and fast rule that you must be currently working in aviation. I'm sure it helps though. Especially if you are lower time. Anyone want to buy a twin???

 

[generaltso]

What if the time isn't by instructing or flying 135?

What if I'm flying a light twin around 40hrs PIC per month. Its my own plane and I'm flying it for my personal business.

So I'll be applying with 600 TT / 300 ME / well over 20 actual ... ???

Sorry but if you have your "own plane" and you are flying it for "my personal business"... then what the hell are you thinking applying to a regional airline? You seem to be doing well, why would you make yourself suffer?

There are a few things in this industry I can not stand. Career changers are just as bad as the gulfstream pukes and the 500TT wonders. Here is a guy who owns a twin and seems to own a good business. Yet, he wants to switch to a job where he can make $20/year and have 10 days off, and be on reserve for several months. I don't get it... wish these people would "see the light".

 

[tomcat]

Oh, so now we add career changers to the dreaded hate list (to go with the PFT, ERAU, Mesa....)?

 

[Vik]

I've *always* wanted to be an airline pilot. I went broke half way through my CFI, then my parents went broke, and with $200 I started my business.

I work 80 hours/week and pay my entire family's bills, my sister's college tution, and *still* want to "suffer" working for a regional airline.

I'm 25. I'm not a "career changer" because my life has been dedicated to flying. Just because I needed to do something else to pay bills, doesn't make me a career changer. Thats like saying the guy that worked loading bags into the plane before he got hired is a "career changer" and he sucks.

Anyway, I've spent the last year hiring and training management so that I can go work for a regional airline and still let my business continue. I've trained both my parents to help out.

Since you claim to be flying the B777, you probably know many major airline pilots, most that have some other side business that they do. I just happened to start my side business *before* joining an airline.

Since 9/11, I think many people have realized that they need some sort of backup to aviation. I encourage anyone I run into that says being on reserve sucks to spend that free time and start a business or figure out a way to start another stream of income, even if its selling crap on Ebay.

Sorry but if you have your "own plane" and you are flying it for "my personal business"... then what the hell are you thinking applying to a regional airline? You seem to be doing well, why would you make yourself suffer?

There are a few things in this industry I can not stand. Career changers are just as bad as the gulfstream pukes and the 500TT wonders. Here is a guy who owns a twin and seems to own a good business. Yet, he wants to switch to a job where he can make $20/year and have 10 days off, and be on reserve for several months. I don't get it... wish these people would "see the light".

 

[Vik]

Don't forget the minorities, foreigners, poor people, bald people, elvis impersonators, flight attendants, SCABS, and eventually, I'm sure HERPES will end up on there too.

Oh, so now we add career changers to the dreaded hate list (to go with the PFT, ERAU, Mesa....)?

 

[Flying Illini]

As far as flight time, you guys are amazing, second guessing someone with 500-600 hours being "trusted" alone for 5 minutes with an RJ? Gimmie a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** break, I came from the civilan commercial aviation, flying military now, and I know guys with less than 400 total time, flying DC-10's over bad guy land passing gas to entire wings, flying Hornets off of carriers etc. We all had minimal time once, but everyone seems to forget how ready they were to get at it and tackle anything thrown their way, and trying to overcome the hours issue.

Well put Patmack.

 

[Nova]

Eat a d!ck dude... someone gave you a break once, and we've all been a little (or a lot) out of currency.

As far as flight time, you guys are amazing, second guessing someone with 500-600 hours being "trusted" alone for 5 minutes with an RJ? Gimmie a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** break, I came from the civilan commercial aviation, flying military now, and I know guys with less than 400 total time, flying DC-10's over bad guy land passing gas to entire wings, flying Hornets off of carriers etc. We all had minimal time once, but everyone seems to forget how ready they were to get at it and tackle anything thrown their way, and trying to overcome the hours issue.

Um, the military training environment is a bit different than the civilian one. Those 400 hour military pilots have more experience under their belt than a 400 hour civilian counterpart. Does that 400 hour KC-10 pilot have only 100 hour of Piper Seminole time to their name when they first set foot in that cockpit? Was most of their time in the Cessna 152? I doubt that pilot even has 1 hour of recip. time in their logboook. It's for that reason that the majors have always given a flight time break to the military guys transitioning to the civilian industry.

 

[Guitar Guy]

Vik, I've heard from several others on this board and gouges that they want you to have a current flying job. I would take that as meaning you're a paid professional pilot of some sort. Never hurts to try though.

I was hired at regional back in 2000 with 536 hrs TT, 130 multi and I did not have a flying job - I was an engineer/specialist in the flight department of a major with no affiliation to the regional I was with.

I think the emphasis on hours is wrong. It's not the hours that matter, it's the ability to fly and think that matter. My boss at the major felt the same and pointed out that he was turned loose in an A-4 Skyhawk with all of 200 hours TT. He then went on to fly combat missions in Vietnam.

Perhaps the scariest newbie F/O I ever had at my last job was a CFI-I with over 1500 hours. He badly botched an ILS in low IMC and I had to take over the controls. Yet according to some folks, a guy with 1500+ hours ought to be the right guy for a regional newbie. I would say that I preferred a guy with good, basic skills and good grey matter over a guy with a bunch of hours in the logbook.